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To: Luis Gonzalez
[Now, when you DO post that stat, ask yourself how the group or individual that you will be quoting could possibly know how many people we don't know about are here.]

We all know we can find a statistic to support whatever position we would like to pose on almost any subject. I don't need other people's statistics. I see those people. They are here. The got here somehow. They had to cross a border somehow to get here. It is just that simple. I don't care what numbers you post or whose numbers you post. Those people are here. There are here in huge numbers - our cities, hospitals, schools, and states are in big trouble. It takes a large amount to cause that.

Now you have given your statistics, and I have pointed to visible truths. We need to leave it at that. WE aren't going to agree. We both know the truth. Does it really matter if 40 million or 10 million are here - the problem is here. The destruction to our nation and our individual families are here. I don't care if it is 5 people causing all these problems - it needs to be fixed and fixed now.

Now there may be some who will be swayed by your posts, I certainly hope not. If that happens, it would be a disservice to this country. This is too important to the survival of our nation to play games.

Tancredo is the only politician that has the fortitude to speak against the tide. I don't know what his reasons are for doing it - I just know it needs doing. If he gets some benefit from it - good - he deserves it. If it were not a problem and if the facts would prove otherwise, why are the media, the Democrats and our very own Republicans trying to destroy him. They know the truth. They know the problem. They also know they are benefitting too much from this to let some little old 'obscure' representative from Colorado throw a monkey wrench in their well-oiled machinery and get the people all informed about what is really happening. No, the big guns out there aimed at him tell the whole story - they have too much to loose. Didn't you ever wonder why a WH who is so 'compassionate' toward so many people and things would have such a virulent reaction to Tancredo's words. My goodness, the response to Tancredo was more in line with the threats aimed at our mortal enemies. As I said - that tells the story.

Their presence and the state of this country paint the only picture necessary. Statistics won't fix our hospitals, schools, cities and states. It won't lower the tax rates so people can keep their homes. It won't fix the crime problem. So there is no need for you to post me statistics - I see the problem with my own eyes. I feel the problem. I live the problem. It is real. Not numbers on a page.

1,103 posted on 11/21/2002 10:41:32 AM PST by nanny
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To: nanny
"Statistics won't fix our hospitals, schools or states."

Least of all James Ziglar's statistics.

The blood of every one of John Malvo's victims is on his hands. His incompetent leadership is directly responsible for John Malvo being on the loose.

The victim's families should sue him.

1,104 posted on 11/21/2002 11:17:28 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: nanny
You go girl!

Although it was thirty years ago+/-, I remember as a child hearing broken English spoken in public, and my mother explaining that the speaker was a brand new American, and that it takes a long time to learn a new language.I was in awe of a person so brave as to go to a brand new country and become a citizen of the USA, because they believed in our country so much.Since that time, I have travelled the world.The USA is, beyond any doubt, the best country to live in.

It has only been in the last 10-15 years, that my awe and respect of immigrants has been tainted by the reality that I can no longer hear that broken English, or different language, and automatically think the speaker is a tourist, or a brand new citizen.

Those of us who live among large illegal populations know the look in the eye of an illegal.Two expressions prevail, fear or hatred.Neither option is acceptable to me.If they were not illegal, they would not have that fear. If they were not illegal, and dangerous to the all of us, they would not have that hatred.

I live in Florida.Just today, some Mexican slaveholders of 700 Mexican illegal immigrant citrus workers were sentenced.The news did not specify what happened to these "slaves", who had all "enslaved" themselves to sneak into this country, against our immigration and labor laws.I really do not feel sorry for this group.I want everyone involved deported or jailed.The grove owners included.

Those on this sight who see nothing wrong with several families, consisting of over 30 people, living in a 1000 square foot house, have never enjoyed the opportunity to live next door.Creating a new imported underclass of non-citizens, just so some self centered schmuck can save $50.00 a week on labor costs for their maid or gardener is worse than obscene to me.It is in fact criminal, and I will notify the authorities.Slavery was outlawed in this country over a century ago, and I will not stand blindly by while attempts to re-introduce it are ongoing.

Those who claim to be "compassionate" on the plight of illegal invaders are either hypocrites ,intellectually and morally challenged,or delusional socialists.

1,105 posted on 11/21/2002 6:23:34 PM PST by sarasmom
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