TARGET: Tom Tancredo (Warned "never to darken the door of the White House again.")

Roll Call ^ | November 18, 2002 | Josh Kurtz

[nanny]

[I may not go to as many whacko web sites as you do, but if you believe that George W. Bush doesn't have America first in his plans, you're worse than any liberal ever. Perhaps it is YOU who should take a look at who you're hanging out with. ]

Well, first of all this is the 'Whacko Website' where I spend 99.9% of my reading time. The only others are Lucianne, and I read Drudge. Occasionally listen to Rush and a local talk show on the Dallas station. Sorry to burst you bubble, but no far out sites for me. Now I do talk with people of all walks of life, all ages, all ethnicity, varied political beliefs and most of them are also concerned. The only ones not are of the 'My President right or wrong' mindset and that's OK too.

My opinion is just that my opinion based on what I have seen him do and say. Now I don't have a crystal ball, so I can't divine what he has in mind for America - but leaving the borders open post 9/11, giving 'tolerance' lessons to Americans, letting the AG threaten us, criticizing Christian religious leaders at the behest of the Arab leaders and now he is going to bring in more to teach them of our country - that doesn't sound like America first, to me. As I said, I don't have a crystal ball, I just know what I hear and see.

If you know something I don't, I would be happy to hear, because whether you believe it or not, I want to be totally wrong. I love this country and I want it to continue.

[Republican Wildcat]

Your argument seems to be that Tancredo is being given the cold shoulder over mere disagreement with the President over a policy question. You and I both know that isn't true.

[Howlin]

I think may the problem is that you're LOOKING for something to bash Bush with.

One case in point, this statement:

criticizing Christian religious leaders at the behest of the Arab leaders

Got anything to back that up with, other than "what you've seen?"

[Mark Felton]

Tancredo has been one of the loudest voices calling for control of the borders. I believe he was on O'Reilly a few days ago as well. He has MUCH public support which conflicts with the Presidents agenda.

Tancredo will not challenge Bush in primaries.

Bush is pressuring Tancredo to cool his jets. It's that simple.

[Howlin]

Pardon me if I don't take a pollster's word for ANYTHING. We'll soon see what his constituents thinks of him.

BTW, you do realize, don't you, that this "article" is based ONLY on what Tancredo says happened at the White House, don't you? I don't see any other source in there from the Bush White House, do you?

[MissAmericanPie]

It really depends on us, the individual, what we will sacrifice, how hard we are willing to work, and how very bad we want a man that keeps his oath in the highest office in the land.

[PuNcH]

If you think he was supposed to have solved this problem in 20 months in office with a war on and a hostile Senate,

How did the war get started in the first place?! The idea that Bush couldnt do anything at all is silly.

I have not condemned Bush. If he starts doing his job as you say then I will be happy. If he gets rid of the IRS and the income tax then I will be even happier.

I guess we are in wait and see mode again. Something better happen fast but I have a bad feeling about it.

[Mark Felton]

"BTW, you do realize, don't you, that this "article" is based ONLY on what Tancredo says happened at the White House, don't you? I don't see any other source in there from the Bush White House, do you? "

LOL!

I would LOVE for the Whitehouse to respond to this article. PLEASE.

If you think most Americans do not want to control the borders then you are, well, deluding yourself.

Tancredo has always been prominent in his position and his constituents voted OVERWHELMINGLY to put him back in office.

That is the most important poll. Or do you think Tancredo "fixed" the votes in his election the way Democrats do?

[Howlin]

If you think most Americans do not want to control the borders then you are, well, deluding yourself.

Kindly show me ANYWHERE I have said that.

[bam]

Bwaahahahaha! Herr Rove has him scrubbed, and he's dead meat. His 100% ACU rating last year and 99% lifetime doesn't mean spit

--snip--

Welcome to the real world. To change a system one has to work his way to the top. Any idiot at the bottom dumb enough to try to defy those at the top, will find those at the top will squash him like a bug.

Sorry, my impression of the real world is that the founders created a government consisting of three branches; Executive, Legislative, and Judicial with a balance of powers to keep each other in check. They did not create a banana republic dictatorship where the guy at the top squashes anybody who doesn't go along with him "like a bug". Hopefully, President Bush and his administration don't see things this way (and I'm not saying they do), but if they do maybe the peace people are correct and we need a regime change at home. Party politics are one thing, but they do not justify corrupting the Constitutional check that the Legislative branch (specifically the House -- the voice of the people), has over the President.

[Mark Felton]

You disputed the pollsters! They said most constituents supported Tancredo. You said you didn't believe it! LOL

[Howlin]

I said I don't QUOTE pollsters....it's not quite the same.

And you avoided my question to you: where EXACTLY did I say that?

Time to put up or shut up.

[Mark Felton]

"I said I don't QUOTE pollsters....it's not quite the same."

Wrong! You said:

" Pardon me if I don't take a pollster's word for ANYTHING. We'll soon see what his constituents thinks of him."

Therefore you do not believe them when they say most Americans want the borders defended from illegal immigration. His constituents already voted for him. They SUPPORT his position in opposition to President Bush.

[Howlin]

Therefore you do not believe them when they say most Americans want the borders defended from illegal immigration.

Let me get this straight: you are so twisted you actually believe that if I say I don't take a pollsters word for anything that YOU claim that I am saying his constituents are liars?

Man, you look like an idiot saying that. The way you have it worded it looks like Tancredo's constituents told pollsters that THEY believe most Americans want the borders closed.

Again, show me where I said I don't believe in defending our borders -- I'd prefer it if you could do it with my OWN words, not something you've ginned up. No deductions. My own words, please.

BTW, that's one of the most convoluted answers I've ever seen on FR; does it occur to you is you have to do such linguistic gymnastics to defend yourself, you don't have much of a defense.

[Rome2000]

Something better happen fast but I have a bad feeling about it.

The Department of Homeland Security is happening, and I believe it will be used to effect legal and illegal immigration reform in a way we all wouldn't have believed possible.

Time will tell.

[Mark Felton]

"BTW, that's one of the most convoluted answers I've ever seen on FR; does it occur to you is you have to do such linguistic gymnastics to defend yourself, you don't have much of a defense. "

ROTFLMBO! I just quoted YOUR comments back to you! LOL (too funny...)

I'm howlin' now....

[RLK]

My first allegiance is to this country and the quality of my life here, not to George Bush or anybody else. In the event anybody, and that means ANYBODY, is destructive to that priority, I'll say so. As such, Bush's view on economics are destructive. His cozyintg up to Islam is destructive. His tendency toward opening up our borders to what I consider to be an invasion is destructive. His failure to bring accountability to the Clintons is destructive. His failure to impose accountability for the events at Waco is destructive. I have a longer list.

If God comes to earth and says otherwise, I'll tell him he's wrong. That's the way I run my life. It's a matter of personal integrity. If someone doesn't like it, I don't care. I won't let other people, including people such as you, run and corrupt my life.

[MissAmericanPie]

My gosh, this is great, thanks for the heads up. And still the government ignore the petitions.

[Mark Felton]

RLK, Perhaps you are familiar with this quote:

"Let this be the distinctive mark of an American that in cases of commotion, he enlists himself under no man's banner, inquires for no man's name, but repairs to the standard of the laws. Do this, and you need never fear anarchy or tyranny. Your government will be perpetual."

--Thomas Jefferson: Manuscript, 1801?