TARGET: Tom Tancredo (Warned "never to darken the door of the White House again.")

Roll Call ^ | November 18, 2002 | Josh Kurtz

[SCalGal]

Just how much money do you think it would take to have military control the borders?

I don't have a number, but you could take it, or some of it, out of what we're now spending on the illegals for schooling, medical care, and prisons.

[PatrioticAmerican]

If a family should be able to enter the US if they feel they may become the victims of crime, where do they go when they are mugged in the US? hehe

[madfly]

The INS is not doing their job now - how could they possibly handle the borders?

And who is there boss? Immediately after 911, the INS should have been given emergency personnel, funds whatever, after what happend at the hand of foreign terrorists. Should have been number one priority, even if you have a Homeland Security Plan in the works to deal with the problems 15 months down the line. Priorities demanded that visas be frozen and Border Patrol/INS be beefed up. IMHO.

God Bless America and heaven help us.!

[hchutch]

So, is someone in Montana who shoots a grizzly bear (protected under the Endangered Species Act) to protect their oldest son from being mauled to death a criminal, too?

[ClancyJ]

Good thoughts. I agree - just closing the borders is not the answer. They will just find other ways to get in.

Mexico needs to do something about their own country instead of trying to sap the wealth from this country. Fox is beside himself wanting more of the wealth here.

[Bikers4Bush]

It may not stop them but it'll cut it by 95% and in my opinion that's a BIG improvement.

As for trashing Bush, that's not my intent. Unless of course he's pro illegal.

[SCalGal]

What the h**l does that have to do with illegal immigration???

[Reaganwuzthebest]

A selfish attitude on your part - and the "big picture" is just an excuse to sweep this malfeasance under the rug.

I'd say the only one being selfish is you. You want to stick the taxpayers with billions of dollars in costs associated with mass immigration, which includes bankrupt hospitals, crumbling schools and infrastructures, overwhelmed welfare services, not to mention skyrocketing crime rates so your skimpy employer friends can have an abundant source of cheap labor.

Yeah, they'll get a nice a bonus at Christmas time while the country falls apart. Traitors if you ask me.

[PatrioticAmerican]

Protecting our borders would stop 99% of those illegally coming in. We can never stop illegal immigration, and neither could the USSR, but that doesn't mean reducing it to a trickle isn't an acceptable outcome of a reasonable effort. That leaves the definition of "reasonable" up for discussion. For me, that means no troops, but a seriously strengthened Border Patrol and enforcement of our current laws. Laws such as employment, welfare, ect., need to be enforced, and we don't enforce them.

[hchutch]

Oh... then does that mean I should demand the next person who accidentally runs over an endangered rat be thrown in jail for violated the Endangered Species Act?

Should he face the same penalties as a poacher? Or should the fact it was an accident be taken into account?

A lot of people here would be up in arms if that farmer was being railroaded. But they are okay here. You will forgive me if I presume a double standard exists and CALL people on it.

[madfly]

Here's what he meant to say!

I must go I down follow the park of the connection in where you live, and him hair of its sister hardly enough time to strike towards outside what few putrefactos teeth still continue being their mouth.

[4Freedom]

I really like your football analogy.

It's slightly flawed, though.

You see the coach in your analogy is ignoring 75% of the fans.

When the fans stop coming to the games, supporting the team and calling for the coach to be fired, the guy on the bench that defied the coach could get his job.

The coach and the team are nothing without the support of the fans.

[Bikers4Bush]

Your illegals willfully and with full understanding and comprehension broke the law.

How on earth is that an accident?

What that has to do with an endangered rat being scooped up and munched by and endangered owl who happens to be sitting (illegally) on the branch of an endangered tree in some wildlife preserve somewhere doesn't mean squat.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Just how much money do you think it would take to have military control the borders?

I don't know, but considering the total costs of illegal immigration is in the billions of dollars, if it came out to be 10 billion a year I'd say it's worth it.

And there's the security aspect of it, we wouldn't be just be keeping out illegal aliens and drugs, but potential terrorists as well. For that reason alone I don't care how much money it costs.

[Bikers4Bush]

And how the farmer wound up in the picture is absolutely beyond me.

[Reagan Man]

Sorry to disappoint you Teddy. Just for the record, Tancredo recieved about 67% of the vote in his district. In all of Colorado, my guy, Rep Joel Hefley won with 69% of the vote down here in southern Colorado. I like Tancredo's tough stand on enforcing current immigration policy, but his zealotry on the issue is hurting his message.

[hchutch]

The fact that you do not want to admit is that that Colombian family was acting to protect the oldest son. Our government was not doing a DAMN THING to help them out.

There is not much difference between that family's situation from those ranchers losing livestock to wolf and grizzly bear introductions during the Clinton years in my book. In both cases, our government had responsibilities it was not fulfilling. In both cases, people were hurt by the non-fulfillment of those responsibilities.

In both cases, the people hurt "violated" the law after all other options were exhausted. The ranchers losing livestock shot the wolves. That Colombian family came on tourist visas and overstayed them.

I hate to say this, but there seems to be a double standard where the ranchers shooting the wolves are defended, but this family protecting their oldest son is attacked. That is a double standard in my book. And double standards are, in my opinion, wrong, particularly when applied by a government. And right now, I see a double standard emerging as to which screw-ups involving immigration policy are denounced and corrected, and I find that to be wrong.

[hchutch]

They did so protecting their oldest son.

Ranchers who shot reintroduced wolves willfully broke the law, too. Do they get a pass?

[4Freedom]

How do you figure that the possibility that one's children might be kidnapped is a reason for asylum?

That's a reason for the Colombian government to provide its citizens protection. That has nothing to do with the United States.