TARGET: Tom Tancredo (Warned "never to darken the door of the White House again.")

Roll Call ^ | November 18, 2002 | Josh Kurtz

[rightwing2]

And if I don't? What are you going to do, hold your breath until you turn blue in the face? LOL!

No, if you don't then you will have proven me right--that you are nothing but a CINO and opponent of real conservatives like Bob Smith, Tom Tancredo, Bob Barr, Jesse Helms, etc. I thought you already would be blue in the face given the fact that you have been confronted with the facts of your opposition to conservatives.

[itsahoot]

Sec. 502. - Enlistment oath: who may administer

Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath: ''I, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the

Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.'' This oath may be taken before any commissioned officer of any armed force

Oath of Office - "...support and defend the Constitution..."

§ 3331. Oath of office
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath:
''I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.''
This section does not affect other oaths required by law.

[rightwing2]

hchutch, read this as the voice of the John Birch society. Sununu actually had a higher lifetime ACU rating than the (dis)honorable Senator Smith. Sununu: 94 Smith: 92 HERE Rightwing2......do you have a day off? Or are you posting on your work time yet again at the DoD...wasting my tax dollars? You have a strange sense of morality (for a self-professed conservative) that allows you to cheat your employer AND the taxpayers by posting on the internet during work hours. Is cheating allowed by YOUR brand of conservatism?

There are no rules against posting on the internet in your spare times here in this office as long as all of your work-related tasks are caught up. You and deport's crying about it doesn't mean there is something--anything wrong with it. I guess that's what happens when liberals can't respond rationally to factual arguments rendered by conservatives which they find discomforting. They have to resort to the politics of personal destruction and groundless allegations of wrongdoing. According to ACU, Smith has a perfect 100% conservative rating for the past three years while pro-terrorist CINO Sununu's conservative ratings have gone down lower and lower each year during the same period, but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your arguments.

[itsahoot]

Oh, wait. I suppose you are going to say that President Bush
DOES support illegal immigration. Obviously false.

How are the end results any different, if he fails to enforce the current laws?

[hchutch]

I do support conservatives. I do not want them doing the movement more harm than good. I believe Smith crossed that line with his support of PETA - the Sinn Fein of the animal rights movement. I believe Tancredo is crossing that line as well.

I expect conservatives to solve the problems we face as a country, and to not let perfect be the enemy of good enough, which you have PROVEN you are willing to do - as evidenced by your disdain for good conservatives like Sununu, President Bush, and John Linder - who do not toe your line 100%.

Quite frankly, it's pretty obvious that those like you are, for the most part, a lot of talk and little substance. Some with your mentality took a shot at Sununu this last election - and they didn't bring him down. I expect some like you to try this again against the President - with what ever excuse you have - be it immigration, Iraq, what have you - and I do not think much of your chances.

Believe me, I'll trust this President, and the people working for him on these issues over you any time - Bush is getting results, and for the most part, I am satisfied with the job he is doing, and I hope that other conservatives will be smart enough to build on the efforts he is making, which are getting more conservatives elected and getting them in position to solve the problems.

And I do not appreciate it when those who insist on making perfect the enemy of good enough hinder those efforts.

[DoughtyOne]

The Frazer program showed Frazer reciting Klingon at his son's barmitzfa a few weeks ago. This being fresh in my mind, I had also considered that a good candidate for the language you linked. Thanks for the creative offering. Pretty good.

[DoughtyOne]

Heh heh heh, the facts do have a way of flushing out the riff-raff from the true conservatives don't they. You saw the reaction. Take heart, some of us understand what you're saying.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you for the oaths.

[snickeroon]

Look, I'm with you on this. Spout statistics all you want, the reason I don't believe them is that I have seen an illegal population take over the chicken industry in my home state (GA), and can now go to the neighborhood grocery store in TN and feel like I'm a third world outsider.... Despite the fact that we have one of the highest sales taxes in the nation, human services in this state wants to make it clear (in Spanish) that one does not need a social security number to obtain medical care, or food stamps....or, for that matter, a driver's license...the grocery ads are now in TWO languages and I get a choice with my ATM card as to what language I want my transaction done in...

As an American citizen, I am required to have my social security number on my license, and have been told that medical care for citizens is beginning to suffer greatly under a crush of non-paying illegals who MUST be treated. The point is this, when it comes to the point that choices have to be made in this country concerning whose needs will be met, I believe that each and every decision should then be made on behalf of this nation's citizens. Whether born here, or LEGAL immigrants, we should not be penalized for observing this nation's laws so businesses who want hard workers at low pay can continue to be subsidized for what is tantamount to the encouragement of slave labor. The borders should be CLOSED for no less than the next two years (five would be better), all illegals deported....it won't happen, but it SHOULD happen, because our future existence depends on it.

[rightwing2]

Heh heh heh, the facts do have a way of flushing out the riff-raff from the true conservatives don't they. You saw the reaction. Take heart, some of us understand what you're saying.

Yes, indeed. The truth does have away of flushing out the CINO rabble from the true blue conservatives. If we can't get our own people to support principled conservative Republicans now serving as elected officials, then the Republican Party will shortly be hopelessly lost in a sea of liberalism. As a lifelong conservative Republican activist, I refuse to accept this is the case. While I predicted the great Republican electoral victory of 2002. These kind of CINO attacks against our finest most principled conservative champions like Bob Smith, Tom Tancredo and Bob Barr do not give me much hope that the GOP leadership and the party's leftwing will embrace, let alone support a conservative agenda anytime soon. Thanks for the support.

[nanny]

[Look, I'm with you on this. Spout statistics all you want, the reason I don't believe them is that I have seen an illegal population take over the chicken industry in my home state ]

This is the statistic that matters, isn't it?

AS I have said in several posts, everyone who hasn't been touched by this yet, should listen to those of us who are living it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Now the only statistic I need, is the huge number of people who are here illegally."

That would be nice, post that stat, try using a reputable, unbiased source.

I know they are here, you don't need to convince me that there are illegal aliens here. But you said that several million got in in 2001, and that "open borders" stuff has been going on forever (it didn't begin after Bush took office), so I guess there must be thirty or forty million of them here. Hell, if your "statistics" hold true, and these illegals have been crossing for twenty years, there must be nearly one hundred million of them here by now!!!!.

Now, when you DO post that stat, ask yourself how the group or individual that you will be quoting could possibly know how many people we don't know about are here.

[dcwusmc]

Wow. Why are you beating around the shrub so much? Why not say what you REALLY feel? NICE post and well said!

[Luis Gonzalez]

You called me a used car salesman, can you prove that?

Of course you can't, it's a lie. You can do little other than act the part of a cyber punk.

You entered this thread with nothing to add to the debate other than personal insults leveled at me. It's right there for all to see.

"How does lying, bloviating, bullshitter sound?"

Send me a recording of yourself and I'll tell you.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Notice how Luis conveniently omits the INS's own admission that they allow at least 3 illegal aliens through for every 1 they apprehend..."

Post it.

"...and Marine Inspector says it's more like they let 9 through."

I have Marine Inspector live, on a call in to my FR Radio show saying they have no idea about the actual number of illegals getting by them, and at best, they are guessing.

He also called the "letting 90% through" claim too high an estimate.

[4Freedom]

"...and at best, they are guessing."

I just visited Marine inspector's homepage.

Welcome to the home of Marine Inspector

It appears that MI has changed his estimates somewhat, but not a whole heck of a lot.

By his estimate:

"This is an average of over 5,000 illegal aliens entering the United States undetected daily.

"Center for Immigration Studies...suggests 700,000 to 800,000 new illegal aliens are settling each year."

It's as Nanny says, "The borders are sieves."

You're obfuscating again, Luis.

If you disagree with Marine Inspector and the Center for Immigration Studies, give us your numbers and their source.

How many illegal aliens do you claim are crossing the borders undetected yearly and how many of those settle or return in that same year?

[4Freedom]

"You called me a used car salesman, can you prove that?"

Anyone that reads your memoirs can see that your sales tactics are unworthy of even a used car salesman. I hereby apologize to the used car salesmen I inadvertently insulted with that unkind comparison to you.

Maybe you were an aluminum siding, replacement window or carpet salesman before you landed that job that then visited you on the unsuspecting population of Costa Rica like some kind of a plague.

Say what you want about my responses to your attacks on Tom Tancredo, but your posts to me were the ones that were pulled, Mr. 'Holier Than Thou'.

You calling anyone a liar is truly 'the pot calling the kettle black', if there ever was an illustration of that old adage on this Forum.

I'm still waiting for you to prove that I advocated killing babies on the Texas border.

Liar.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Anyone that reads your memoirs posts can see that your sales tactics plans for the borders are unworthy of even a used car salesman mass murderer. I hereby apologize to the used car salesmen mass murderers I inadvertently insulted with that unkind comparison to you."

[Luis Gonzalez]

In other words...you lie.

[4Freedom]

That's 'Loopie Louie', no proof just more lies.

Let me take a guess, now. You're a professional, white-collar liar (what your idea of salesmanship is) for your father-in-law's company?

LOL!