[wimpycat]

No, you guys equate a "free state" with Utopia, not me. We already live in a free society. You might "feel" oppressed and tyrannized living in the good ol' U.S. of A. in 2002, but that doesn't mean you are.

[Kevin Curry]

We already live in a free society.

We do. But pro-dopers want to live a free-loader society where they can pretend their dope obsession and indulgence harms no one else and leave the clean-up costs to the taxpayers at large.

As least socialists are honest enough to admit there are costs and that they will extort more tax money from other citizens to clean up after "victim" dopers.

[The Green Goblin]

No, you guys equate a "free state" with Utopia, not me. We already live in a free society. You might "feel" oppressed and tyrannized living in the good ol' U.S. of A. in 2002, but that doesn't mean you are.

Show me where any of us have ever referred to a free society as a utopia. In fact, most conceptions of "utopia" (such as Moore's and Plato's) have been patently statist in nature, and certainly not libertarian.

Surely you don't believe that we enjoy as much freedom in this country now as we did two hundred years ago. If that were the case, this site certainly wouldn't exist. What exactly is the purpose oif this site, pray tell?

[exodus]

To: wimpycat
You equate (the proposed) free state with Utopia?

To: The Green Goblin
No, you guys equate a "free state" with Utopia, not me. We already live in a free society. You might "feel" oppressed and tyrannized living in the good ol' U.S. of A. in 2002, but that doesn't mean you are.
# 295 by wimpycat
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"You guys" didn't say that; wimpycat, you accused us of saying that. There is no such thing as Utopia, and libertarians know that better than anyone.

We used to live in a free society. That freedom will soon be a thing of the past.

The Patriot Act marks the official end of government recognition of our rights. If our government does not honor our rights, by definition we do not live in a free society.