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To: Leto

A Forbes/Armey Flat Tax only requires a majority vote and if embedded in the budget process can't even be fillbustered in the Senate, and doesn't require ratification by the states.

and keeps the 16th amendment, the IRS, individual income tax plus a VAT(i.e. hidden sales tax).

The very things you claim Democrats will do to an NRST over a 40 senator filibuster, after it has done away with the income tax.

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/fullcomm/106cong/4-11-00/4-11kotl.htm

"Robert Hall, one of the originators of the proposal(Flat Tax), who describes his Flat Tax as, effectively, a Value Added Tax. A value added tax taxes output less investment (because firms get to deduct their investment.)"

"The Flat Tax differs from a VAT in only two respects. First, it asks workers, rather than firm managers, to mail in the check for the tax payment on that portion of output paid to them as wages. Second, it provides a subsidy to workers with low wages."

 

The Flat Income Tax (FIT) proposal, H.R. 1040, has two elements: a Flat Income Tax on an individual's earned income, and a VAT on businesses. The Flat Income Tax on businesses, is, by admission of Professors Robert E. Hall and Alvin Rabushka, who "wrote the book" on the FIT, a subtraction method Value Added Tax.

Quoting Hall and Rabushka ("The Flat Tax," Hoover Institution Press, 1995, pp55,56):

"To measure the total amount of income generated at a business, the best approach is to take the total receipts of the firm over the year and subtract the payments the firm has made to its workers and suppliers. This approach guarantees a comprehensive tax base. The successful value-added taxes in Europe work this way. The base for the business tax is the following:

Total revenue from sales of goods and services
less
purchases of inputs from other firms
less
wages, salaries, and pensions paid to workers
less
purchases of plant and equipment."


38 posted on 11/18/2002 8:10:26 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: ancient_geezer
In post #38 you mention that FOrbes Armey doesn't get rid of the 16th amendment, correct, however neither does HR2525, now I know (thanks to your informative posts) that HR2525 recommends, repealing the 16th, but that is a long way from a constitutional amendment.

You have been honest and said you want HR 2525 without repeal of the 16th amendment, and here we disagree. I think that putting a NRST in place without repealing the 16th amendment would be a disaster. We would end up with both.

I don't trust rats. I believe what Reagan said about dealing with socialist and communist:"TRUST BUT VERIFY"
45 posted on 11/18/2002 8:51:34 AM PST by Leto
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