Putin Denounces Plans for Radical Islamic worldwide Caliphate [Bush, take notes]

Pravda ^ | 11/14/02

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

I think what were seeing here is a president from another country with large Cahonies and he not afraid of posturing his beleifs X kgb or not his veiws from outside the US are important and could very well help our president keep on course with this war !

[templar]

No. Why?

Buchman was staunchly anti-communist. So much so that he viewed anyone opposing Communism as his ally and overlooked everything else. He was a great admireer of Adolph Hitler and called him Christs answer to communism. He believed we should expect God to aid Hitler.

Putin may or may not be evil. We don't know at this point. Buchman didn't know about hittler early on either. Simply because he is opposed to Islam making inroads into Russia is no more reason to call God's blessings on him than Buchman had to call God's blessings on Hitler because he opposed Communism.

IMO, we should wait a while before getting this solidly behind Putin.

[Gerfang]

You might want to take the next two or three hundred bucks you have available and spend it on some history books and see if you can't make some sort of a dent in the ignorance there.

Three hundred is an awful lot for books. Do I have to buy them hardcover or, since they are Russian histories, can I get them in the loose-leaf format favored by Russian governments?

Russias wars have invariably been defensive wars

The Russians “defended” themselves East all the way to the Japan and South to Persia. That’s pretty impressive for a “peace loving” people interested only in defending themselves. The Russians have always been an expansionist power.

…and the Chechens, aside from in all likelihood having been part of the Golden horde and aside from most of their place names sounding Mongolian, like most muslims sided with Hitler during WW-II and were sent to live in Siberia after the war.

Well, it’s as good any other excuse. Other popular excuses for Russia’s purely defensive wars of conquest include “They looked at us funny” and “They smell.”

Somebody got soft and let them return to their home base in the 60's and they repay this generosity with terrorism and attempts to simply walk off with all the oil in the region.

If you beat a dog, then loosen its chain you should expect it to bite you. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

[Gerfang]

That is strange what you are saying. Caucasus became part of Russia before Americans acquired Florida, but not 500 years ago. Do you have in mind much earlier "insolent" Russian rebelion against Muslim Tartar Khanate and takover of Kazan?

Actually I was thinking about the Russian annexation of the independent states of Novgorod, Pskov, and Riazan.

When Wahhabites talk about "liberation" of Russia they mean restoring the Islamic rule as it was at its largest extent. I am sure they would like to "liberate" Spain, Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria, Armenia and Georgia if they could.

I’m sure they would. In fact, I’m sure some of them would like to be masters of the planet. I’m also sure there’d be a lot less radical Muslims if fewer folks wanted revenge so badly. Sadly, there doesn’t seem to be much we can do about it now. Guess we just have to fight them.

[Gerfang]

Now please explain to me why the Georgians, Ossessians, Ingushians, Armenians, Abkhazians, Russians and 22 ethnic groups in Daghistan all hate Chechins...no go ahead, I think you know, whether you want to admit it or not.

Maybe Checins are just born evil, and it’s up to the virtuous peace-loving Russians to exterminate them. Or, perhaps Chechins have adapted to their environment in order to survive – or given up survival for the prospect of revenge. Which makes more sense to you?

And my the way, 500 years ago, we were throwing off the Mongol Yoke and retaking our lands...and by your definition the US and the colonials before it haven't exactly done anything differently, now have they?

There are two type of rebellious slaves: those who hate slavery and those whom wish to be masters themselves. Which were your ancestors?

Except that there are hardly any indians left but all the indigenous peoples of Russia are still around.

Pot to Kettle: You are black. How do American atrocities justify Russian atrocities?

[Stavka2]

Well lets see, GWB gave the Taliban $40 million for helping on the drugs, well they suposably helped. The US has looked the other way on Cyprus, restrained Isreal and India, criticized Russia on Chechnya, bombed Serbia on Kosovo and undermined Makedonia on the other Albanians...still gives $3 billion/yr to Egypt, millions to PA....yeah, something like that.

[Stavka2]

Actually I was thinking about the Russian annexation of the independent states of Novgorod, Pskov, and Riazan.

Well, you'd best be damning the British and the French and the Germans and Italians and every other country for solidifying into a nation state instead of remaining little principalities...you are really pushing the racist thing...maybe you don't realize it, but those were also Russians and it was the principality of Moscow that conquered other principalities who were out to conquer each other. You stretch your logic to a rediculous level. And by the way, keep appologizing for the Chechin autrocities through out history...what ever, if they adapted to be bastards, maybe we adapted too, because of them....but no, it's just we Russians are evil conquerers and you are the white nobel sheep...whatever.

Revenge? Go read some none islamic history of the last 13 centuaries...guess constantly watching your people get slaughtered should make you into a sheep instead of making you want to get even....again, keep appologizing for Islam...they'll cut your liberal throat just the same.

[A. Pole]

Actually I was thinking about the Russian annexation of the independent states of Novgorod, Pskov, and Riazan.

WOW, WOW! So soon you will advocate nuking Poles (from Gniezno - Wielkopolska) for annexing Malopolska (Cracow) and Mazowsze (Plock and Warsaw). What about liberating Essex (London) and Northumbria (York) from those nasty English? Well, seems that the freedom loving Muslims will take of the later.

[A. Pole]

Well, you'd best be damning the British and the French and the Germans and Italians and every other country for solidifying into a nation state instead of remaining little principalities...you are really pushing the racist thing...maybe you don't realize it, but those were also Russians and it was the principality of Moscow that conquered other principalities who were out to conquer each other. You stretch your logic to a rediculous level.

Why? Gerfang actually makes a lot of sense. Muslim Tartar khans kept Russia(Rus) divided into prinicipalites so they could control them and squeeze the tribute. Gerfang want to bring this splendid system back and who is better to initiate process than Wahhabites having bases in Chechnya.

Destruction of Russia would be an important step in establishing the world wide Caliphate. Christian nations need to be liberated (split) into small principalities before the Religion of Peace digest them all.

[Stavka2]

It's lovely to see how the Islamicists keep peaking out and spilling their rubbish. Hopefully there will be fewer and fewer with access to computers and the internet as their countries are reduced to rubble.