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To: Hank Kerchief
>>>There is less "order" and less freedom in America than at any other time in our history.

I totally disagree with you.

I do not support land grabs by the federal government and neither does President Bush. I strongly support the 2nd Amendment right for Americans to keep and bear arms, and so does President Bush.

>>>I am not a libertarian, but at least they are for liberty, and that is the thing this country was founded for.

Its true. Many libertarians favor returning America to the days of 1790, when the vast majority of folks were uneducated, poor and didn't live past 40 years old. I don't support that type of life. While life may not be perfect in the 21st century, its far better then at any time in American history. Things may not be perfect in todays world, but when has life ever been perfect?

32 posted on 11/17/2002 4:27:52 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
I do not support land grabs by the federal government and neither does President Bush. I strongly support the 2nd Amendment right for Americans to keep and bear arms, and so does President Bush.

Well I'll believe it when I see him do something about the Bill about to be pushed through. He doesn't even mention it.

Its true. Many libertarians favor returning America to the days of 1790, when the vast majority of folks were uneducated, poor and didn't live past 40 years old. I don't support that type of life. While life may not be perfect in the 21st century, its far better then at any time in American history.

I do not care what libertarians favor. I do know most Americans despise freedom, and think it means "freedom from responsibility."

It is not good to measure the results of any political condition, however, at its beginning. Since the conditions, politically, of the late 1790s remained to a large degree into the middle 1800s, look at what had been accomplished in this country under these free times. By 1840 Literacey in all states ranged between 93% and 100%. The first tax funded school opened ten years later. With government now in charge of education, about 40% of blacks and 17% of whites cannot read at all. As for life expectancy, it has been increasing by 1/2 year every 10 years worldwide. Certainly this can be attributed to better diet, medicine, and living conditions, but not to govenment.

When I was a boy we children used to spend hours playing in the woods, or downtown in a major NE city. We were never in any danger. No one in our neighborhood locked their doors. My neighbor worked nights and walked home most summer evening through city streets and dark neighborhoods (no street lights) after midnight. She was never in any danger.

When I was in the fifth grade all the boys were required to have a jacknife for one of our classes. (No boy would have dreamed of going anyplace without his jacknife.) No one ever threatened anyone with a knife (and none of the girls got pregnant.)

You may be too young to know how free we really were, just 40 years ago, and how much more orderly life was.

Hank

42 posted on 11/17/2002 5:13:53 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Reagan Man
"...days of 1790, when the vast majority of folks were uneducated, poor and didn't live past 40 years old. I don't support that type of life."

Eehh...you're wrong.

At that time we had perhaps the highest standard of living in the WORLD.

Most people were educated...a lot were self-taught...but almost every single house had books..(they were PRIZED) and one of the things people DID was to read them.

Also most people lived way past 40.....

Sorry to burst your bubble of ignorance.

redrock

75 posted on 11/17/2002 8:25:32 PM PST by redrock
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To: Reagan Man
I do not support land grabs by the federal government and neither does President Bush.

LOL. When President Bush signs the CARA bill you will claim it is a good idea.

129 posted on 11/18/2002 10:52:17 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Reagan Man
Many libertarians favor returning America to the days of 1790, when the vast majority of folks were uneducated, poor and didn't live past 40 years old.

How can anyone argue with you when you use blatant falsehoods to make your point? The literacy rate in 1790 in the America surpasses the literacy rates today in America.

Most highschool kids today, could barely read "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine much less comprehend it. At that time, it was the most widely read book and was in virtually every household in America. Grade schoolers were reading and understanding Common Sense.

Furthermore, the life expectancy claim you make is preposterous. Ben Franklin lived to be very old. Most of the founding fathers (those not killed during the war) lived to be old and wise. They were not far different than their countrymen.

132 posted on 11/18/2002 10:58:33 AM PST by Demidog
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