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To: TomB
When you put a chemical into water, it dissociates into its constituent ions, fine, we argee with that.

It depends on whether or not the chemical is SOLUBLE. There is also a characteristic known as SOLUBILITY. A soluble compound will DISSOLVE in a SOLVENT such as water, but only until the solvent reaches SATURATION for that soluble compound.

That point where a SOLUTION reaches saturation for that compound is known as the MAXIMUM SOLUBILITY for that compound.

Table 1.

Fluoride

Maximum Solubility

Calcium fluoride

16 ppm at 18°C (c. 1-62,500)

 

17 ppm at 26°C

Sodium fluoride

42,200 ppm at 18°C (c. 1-25)

Sodium fluosilicate

6,250 ppm at 17°C (c. 1-150)

Hydrofluosilicic acid

Miscible liquid

A you can see, calcium fluoride is MUCH less soluable than sodium fluoride. And that is EXACTLY where the problem lies.

For more information, refer to the following link:

Fluoridation: Aspects of toxicity

From the above link,

Calcium fluoride (caF2), which occurs naturally, is not included in the Poisons List. This is because natural fluoride is not very soluble in water. Substances used in the artificial fluoridation of the public water supply are *sodium fluoride (NaF), sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6), and hydrofluosilicic acid (H2SiF6). These artificial fluorides are highly soluble in water (References 1 and 2) see Table 1, and are highly toxic substances.

The fact of the matter is that free fluoride ions are naturally occurring in almost all water supplies. You are trying to scare people that fluoride at this level is somehow damgerous, yet you can't tell me why most of the country isn't sick.

The NUMBER of free ions is DRASTICALLY less when the solute is calcium fluoride as opposed to sodium fluoride. You are trying to say that solutes totally dissolve no matter how much solute you have. That is a false statement. If that were true, there would be no such thing as salt water, it would simply be a sea of free ions. We know that isn't the case.

I'm not trying to scare anybody, I'm just speaking facts here. It is just a fact that there is MUCH information on this topic, and there are MANY scientists that have spoken out against fluoridation. There is no reason why we should continue this discussion any furthur, as I've said all I have to say.

338 posted on 11/20/2002 4:52:25 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker; aruanan
The NUMBER of free ions is DRASTICALLY less when the solute is calcium fluoride as opposed to sodium fluoride.

Before we go any further, let's make sure we are on the same page. We are discussing the supposed differences in "natural" vs "supplemental" fluorides. Correct?

IOW, I say that since there is naturally occurring fluoride around the levels we see added to water supplies, and we don't see sickness in those areas, fluoride isn't dangerous at those levels. You say that there is a difference between the predominantly natural CaFL and the artificial NaFl.

Do I have this right?

339 posted on 11/20/2002 5:05:06 PM PST by TomB
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