Posted on 11/16/2002 6:07:00 PM PST by FormerLurker
No. There is an abundance of evidence that the vaccine works. Also, look around you. Know anybody with smallpox? How do you think that happened? See the CDC's website for more info. Doubt that it will matter to you... or the rest of the anti-vaccination fringe.
Maybe you know it and are proud of it, but the people leading this "movement" are motiviated by one thing only... money. They want to be able to sue somebody because their kid has some problems, despite the fact that there is no proof that a vaccine was the cause. The author of this thread's article is a case-in-point... A woman in search of an OJ jury, to whom things like evidence and proof doesn't matter.
It's unrealistic to expect 200 million people to be vaccinated without there being some bad reactions. Hell, 200 million people can't get up and go to the toilet without some bad things happening. There are no guarantees when it comes to medicine. It's an imperfect science. Fortunately for our society, most people are able to accept life's uncertainties and imperfections without the need to sue.
PS. You should have listened to Rush today. He had some fun with the anti-vaccination fringe (you).
You aren't much on accurate information, are you?
Fluoride is naturally occurring in most water supplies in this country, it always has. As a matter of fact, in many areas the concentration is many times the recommended level.
So where are the diseases in those areas? It seems to me that you could easily go out west (where the levels are usually highest) and find a few little towns who've been drinking high fluoride levels for a hundred years or so and show an increased level of problems.
But there aren't any. I wonder why?
Obviously you have another bone to pick here. This information, although controversial, is valid. Have you bothered yourself with actually READING any of the multitude of links that I've provided on the topic? Have you bothered reading as to WHO was making those statements? I you'd like, I could post a summary of links and references on the subject...
They are made by the top medical authorities in our nation based on the latest medical research.
![]() These are strong, deliberate statements. They are made by the top medical authorities in our nation based on the latest medical research. Their voices are not alone, look at a partial list of dentists & medical doctors, Environmental Protection Agency Scientists and even a number of State Dental Directors are critical of the benefits.
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"I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable." Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association. |
"fluoridation ... it is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has. " Professor Albert Schatz, Ph.D. (Microbiology), Co-Discoverer of streptomycin |
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Fluoride is naturally occurring in most water supplies in this country, it always has. As a matter of fact, in many areas the concentration is many times the recommended level.
Fluoride is a toxin, so ANY amount is too much. Those areas that DO have naturally occuring fluoride in their water supply DO also have children with statistically significant lower IQ and develop skeletal fluorsis.
EFFECT OF HIGH-FLUORIDE WATER ON INTELLIGENCE IN CHILDREN
Effect of a High Fluoride Water Supply on Children's Intelligence
So where are the diseases in those areas? It seems to me that you could easily go out west (where the levels are usually highest) and find a few little towns who've been drinking high fluoride levels for a hundred years or so and show an increased level of problems.
See the links provided above.
But there aren't any. I wonder why?
Obviously there are. I wonder why you don't bother checking up on what you're talking about before you post?
Arsenic is a toxin, yet it is also considered by some to be an essential nutirent. Here is an article from the latest Discover magazine that discusses hormesis.
I defy you to find a quote from any well known toxicologist that say ANY amount of a toxin is too much.
As toxicologists say; "The dose makes the poison".
Those areas that DO have naturally occuring fluoride in their water supply DO also have children with statistically significant lower IQ and develop skeletal fluorsis.
Can you give an example? Of course not, because, as I said MOST of the country has naturally occurring fluoride in the water.
I looked at your links and they don't give any examples of this.
So how do you propose getting one of the most common elements out of ground water?
Obviously there are. I wonder why you don't bother checking up on what you're talking about before you post?
I'm a dentist. I've forgotten more on this subject than you'll ever know.
And SOME even recommend fluoride treatments. We now know that they pose unwarranted risks and provide little or no beneficial effect. SOME even used to sell snake oil, but it wasn't rather useful as we now understand.
I defy you to find a quote from any well known toxicologist that say ANY amount of a toxin is too much.
Acceptable limits are set so as to define where a KNOWN toxic reaction will more than likely occur if that limit is exceeded. ANY amount of toxin is still more than one would WANT to consume. In my book, if I can AVOID a toxin, I avoid it.
Can you give an example? Of course not, because, as I said MOST of the country has naturally occurring fluoride in the water.
Although calcium fluoride may well be common in water, it is only in SOME areas where there are high concentrations. And the relation to fluoride in general remains unchanged, whereas the studies indicate that a high exposure to fluoride DOES in fact result in lower IQ.
In relation to naturally occuring fluoride, I'll give you some links on that...
From Fluoridation 101
At the turn of the last century, many residents of the Southwest US had unusually ugly teeth. They called it "Colorado Brown Stain." Dental researchers sought to discover the source of this disfiguring tooth malformation. The culprit was high levels of fluoride in the water. Since these ugly teeth resisted decay, well-meaning but misguided dentists assumed the fluoride also caused the teeth to resist decay. However, what they overlooked is significant. The water supply was also very high in calcium and magnesium, essential nutrients we now know makes teeth strong.
What is Fluoride and Why You Won't Want to Use It
I'm a dentist. I've forgotten more on this subject than you'll ever know.
Then maybe I should help you refresh your memory.
Central Nervous System Damage from Fluorides
Fluorine -- Reduced IQ in Children - Attention Deficit Disorder
SMALLPOX A Deadly Recipe By WENDY ORENT Wendy Orent writes frequently on infectious disease and is currently writing a book about plague.Thanks for that post by the way. Very informative..
It all comes down to the question of whether or not the vaccine is safe. If is IS safe, then it makes sense to innoculate the population (or the vast majority), as then it would make NO sense for a hostile country or terrorist to attempt to utilize that sort of attack. Smallpox IS a very contageous disease, so it would make sense to immunize against it.
In fact, there was a good post that I've only gotten around to reading today that you should probably look into.
I'll post a link to it below.
Then again, there ARE esteemed voices that DO oppose vaccination. I'll provide some links to that as well..
HISTORICAL FACTS EXPOSING THE DANGERS AND INEFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES
DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONDEMN VACCINATION
WHO SMALLPOX ERADICATION SUCCESS RECONSIDERED--Raymond Obosawin MD
So now I'm confused. I've just found those links and they appear to conflict with what I've read earlier. Now WHAT the heck is going on here?
Dr.Zelicoff is a senior scientist at Sandia Labs in Albuquerque, NM
Yep,half baked
If you read some of the recent material that I have just found, that is NOT a comforting thought.
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