"Harry Potter"

Ayn rand Institute ^ | 11/13/02

[JenB]

Yes, our society today is certainly "proof postitive" that parents are raising their kids "right"...

I'm not talking about society, I'm talking about Christians. If Christian parents do a good job raising their children, then not Harry Potter or the Wizard of Oz or Dungeons and Dragons is any danger to their faith. Personally, I enjoyed the Potter stories. They're stories and that's all. No one I know, Christian or not, sees them as anything else. No one.

[Lurking2Long]

Then I suggest you expand your circle of friends...

[Woahhs]

Doesn't matter if Harry Potter is fiction or not, the very elevation of even a fictional spell-casting character to cult status is "detestable" to the Lord

so you are speaking for God now? Perhaps you should consult Exodus 20.

[.38sw]

This is to Nully's daughter: What a wonderful job making your point. You mean to tell us, that at the age of ten, you understood the concept of fantasy and fiction? Hm. Seems like I could tell the difference as well when I was 10. I had read books about Merlin the Magician and the Knights of the Round Table and King Arthur. Seems that there were magic and witches in those stories, but I never believed it was real. Perhaps we were just unusually precocious, bright and discerning children? Or, maybe spawns of satan? You decide! :)

[JenB]

So do you want to offer real, verifiable proof of your claim that Harry Potter causes witchcraft or devil worship in children?

[.38sw]

She needs her own screen name, Nully. Oh, wait, then you'll never get the computer away from her...

[Lurking2Long]

Sure, right after you prove it does not...

[Lurking2Long]

Would it hurt you to specify a particular verse or verses...?

[humblegunner]

"You're rather constipated, I pity you"

[Jael]

"My daughter and I have a date to see it next Tuesday. Can hardly wait. Have you ever read the Harry Potter books??

May I ask if you have read the Bible concerning witchcraft and evil? And violence? I know people that took their young children to see a movie (Harry Potter) that actually majored in violence and evil.

The movies also taught that people NOT involved in witchcraft were stupid. I can't understand a Christian parent exposing their innocent children to the anger and mayhem in Harry Potter.

Psalms 101:3  I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me.

Psalms 140:11  Let not an evil speaker be established in the earth: evil shall hunt the violent man to overthrow him.

Psalms 141:4  Incline not my heart to any evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties.

Deuteronomy 18:10  There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11  Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12  For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

I keep hearing people say "It's just fiction" as if that makes it ok to teach your children that the occult is a good thing. The hero is a witch. I know REAL witches. Let me tell you, there are no *good* witches. Not according to God.

Also, I personally reserached how children are effected by Harry Potter. One of the most interesting things I turned up was the Scholastic message board. Children were posting there, sharing with each other how Harry Potter had gotten them interested in spells and other aspects of the occult.

Please don't think that what children see doesn't effect them, and deeply. Visuals effect adults, we all know that. Even more so for children.

Philippians 4:8  Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

NOTE: Multiple occurrences of each item described below may be likely, definitely when plural.

Wanton Violence/Crime (W):

• imprisonment of a child, repeatedly
• physical abuse by caregivers, repeatedly
• firearm threat with discharge
• "Anyone who stood up against him ended up dead."
• floating evil being drinking blood from an animal's neck
• floating evil being threatening a child
• attack of children by a huge three-headed dog, repeatedly
• bloody injury
• animated chess game with lives at stake, graphic
• willingness to commit suicide to enable victory of friends
• evil face on the back of a head
• orders to kill a boy
• attempted murder
• threat of death for disobedience
• ghost removing his head
• great falls, repeatedly
• attack by a giant troll
• beating of a child with a club by a giant troll, seeing the club hit the child, repeatedly
• threat of harm to force compliance
• brutality
• burning flesh
• crumbling flesh
  
  Impudence/Hate (I)⁽¹⁾:
  
• two uses of the three/four letter word vocabulary
• abusive caregivers
• child screaming at his parents
• parents submitting to child's screaming
• adolescent arrogance
• lie to prevent accountability
• adolescent meanness to others, repeatedly
• children wandering about alone in a forest at night
• planning disobedience and disobedience of rules
• lie
• bully threat
• lies to protect
• brutal sports tactics with audience of children cheering it on
• invisibility to sneak, repeatedly
• encouragement by an adult to a child to break the rules to get even
  
  Sex/Homosexuality (S):
  
• none noted
  
  Drugs/Alcohol (D):
  
• smoking
  
  Offense to God (O)⁽²⁾:
  
• witchcraft/sorcery to control others, repeatedly
• transfiguration
• levitation, repeatedly
• witchcraft/sorcery to get even
• boy conversing with a snake
• witchcraft/sorcery to start fires, repeatedly
• witchcraft/sorcery to grow tail on a boy
• community of witches and wizards
• goblins, ghosts, repeatedly
• witchcraft/sorcery to destroy property
• "You're a wizard, Harry"
• "Not all wizards are good"
• disappearance by witchcraft/sorcery
• walking through walls
• casting spells, repeatedly
• manifestations in mirror
• mirror to show deepest desires
• elixir of life to make immortal
• half man, half horse beast
• protection by unholy force
• broom riding, repeatedly
• attempted murder with witchcraft/sorcery, repeatedly
• offer to resurrect parents by unholy force
• "There is no good or evil. There's only power" (Voldemort)
• talking witches hat
• witchcraft/sorcery to create food
• paintings with moving subjects, repeatedly
• teaching the use of potions to control others and even "stopper" death
• evil eyes, repeatedly
• witchcraft/sorcery incantation to do harm
• Christmas without Jesus
• invisibility by witchcraft/sorcery
• face in pain protruding from book pages
• demon cat; witch's familiar
• evil passing through boy's body, causing unconsciousness
• witchcraft/sorcery to change flag colors
• unholy possession
  
  Murder/Suicide (M)⁽³⁾:
  
• tale of many murders
• murder of teacher by unholy possession

  http://www.capalert.com/capreports/harrypottersorc.htm

[JenB]

Uh-uh. You don't prove a negative - my assertion that Harry Potter does not cause witchcraft. I can give you example after example of person who has read Potter and not become a witch. You give me just one example - backed up by proof - of the other way around, and we'll talk.

[Lurking2Long]

Go back to your science fiction worship...maybe it will save you...

[Woahhs]

Sure, right after you prove it does not...

(raising hand) oow oow pick me. pick me. I just proved it doesn't.

[Jael]

1 Corinthians 2:13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


15  But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

[Lurking2Long]

I'll turn them over to you...you're doing GREAT...I have to be off to bed now...

[Jael]

"Boorishness is not nearly as slippery and dangerous as judgmentalism is."

Then why would you judge Lurker?

[null and void]

She needs her own screen name, Nully. Oh, wait, then you'll never get the computer away from her...

We both laughed...

[Jael]

I just stumbled on this thread. It's not actually my forte. :-)


Have a nice night!

[Woahhs]

I was thinking 7 in particular.

You see the problem is you can't seem to differentiate between sin and a disagreement with your opinion. There can be no truer expression of vanity.

[null and void]

Hmmm, I wonder how the Bible would rate held to the same criteria...