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To: stuartcr
Do you see many citizens of countries in Africa, far east, and, mid-east doing these things? When you rarely do, they are wiped out by their governments.

I see Muslims all over the world murdering people of other faiths. But no, I do not see other Muslims in the countries you have named rise up to denounce them. However, I'm sure you will agree that the USA is not one of these countries and Muslims who live here have no fear of being "wiped out by their government". And, as I have mentioned, they seem to have no fear of rising up and denouncing what they want to denounce. So, the unmistakable conclusion is that they simply DO NOT WANT to denounce acts of violence (or violent speech) by other Muslims. Now, we can form certain assumptions about the reasons why they don't want to but one of those assumptions has to be that they either passively agree with or actively support Muslim violence. While we can make no positive conclusions about this assumption, it would be just as foolhardy to assume these people are all "peace loving" without proof.

As I said before, these are political agendas, using religion as a rallying point, not all that follow Islam are murdering jihadists.

I never claimed that "all who follow Islam are murdering jihadists". I just question the wisdom of assuming that they are all peace-lovers given their enthusiasm for protesting what they see as "offenses" against Islam or Muslims and their near-total silence in the face of offences committed by other Muslims, whether in the name of Islam or not.

Obviously, you are quite comfortable making that leap of faith. Good for you. I just don't share your views. You are obviously politically correct, but that doesn't mean you are either morally correct or realistic. The President, a man I respect, shares your perspective (at least publicly). And from his POV, I can understand that position. He has to worry about the media and his political enemies, as well as keeping the peace at home. I do not have those burdens and so am free to ask some honest questions. You don't have those burdens either, but have adopted the politically correct position, no doubt out of conviction. If you are a Democrat or other liberal, I can understand why you have made this choice. If, however, you are a Republican or other conservative, then I can't understand it since there is (at least to me) room to doubt.

132 posted on 11/15/2002 5:22:18 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: h.a. cherev
I believe tha majority of the Muslims in the world do not live in America or western democratic countries. In these countries, I do not see them rising up for either side. I see them rising up where they are the majority, which happens to be the countries that have political agendas against the west. The unmistakable conclusion, is that those in the western countries that you want to rise up, are doing nothing. For whatever reason. Not that they do or do not want to denounce. Why do you feel it is necessary for others of different cultures/beliefs to act the way you want them to? Perhaps it's not in the make-up of the majority of Muslims to act the way you think they should. I don't think it is valid to infer anything out of silence, other than it is silence, or to form assumptions out of the absence of something. The proof I see of some Muslims being 'peace loving', are the ones that are not committing terrorist acts. You are correct in that I prefer to think the best of people, and you are the first person who has ever thought I was politically correct. I have always voted repub, and I consider myself conservative in most things. What I try not to be is narrow-mindedly bigoted, like I see so much of throughout the world, regardless of race or creed.
140 posted on 11/15/2002 6:08:48 AM PST by stuartcr
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