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To: God is good
Most Islamics are at odds with most Americans. Does he ever mention that?

Really, if they are we are in big trouble because there are already over a million of them here. The ones I know are not ready to join a Jihad anytime soon. This thread looks more like the typical hate-filled fear-mongering thread that would be on Dillusionals Underground. Not one of FR highest moments, IMHO.

23 posted on 11/13/2002 5:44:04 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
The ones I know are not ready to join a Jihad anytime soon.

So this limited sampling on your part is suppose to mean that all are not in favor of jihad? A split in the Islamic community exists over what jihad is.

If you go back and learn what their Holy Prophet believed about jihad, you would have no doubt understand what jihad originally meant, and still means to many.

Of those who are practicing Muslims in this country who are not fresh converts from the prisons and who are not aiding terrorists, how many of those do you think would give their life for a Christian's freedom in America? And how many do you think would rather see the Christians dead? How many of those seemingly peacful Muslims are terrorist sympathizers who are not as vocal at this time as they would be if they felt they had the upper hand?

I'm not claiming that every Muslim wants to kill every Christian, but that the basic tenants of pure Islam require it, and in an extreme Islamic state as opposed to an extreme Christian state, peace is not the norm, but oppression and fear is the norm.

Khomeini is just an example of how many Muslims are. Like it or not, many view America as the Great Satan and are prepared to kill you just because you are an American.

Try to ask some of your Muslim acquaintances who their muslim influences are? This will tell you what they secretly believe. I know of at least one occassion where a Muslim would act so sweet to everyone's face, but later was found out he was stealing from everyone who he worked with and later was found out he had a horrible temper and was a huge Jew and American hater. Ask your Muslim acquaintances what they think of the Jews.

"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other [countries] so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world...Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured [by the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

The Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, quoted in Amir Taheri's Holy Terror: Inside the World of Islamic Terrorism, 1987

116 posted on 11/15/2002 11:41:31 AM PST by God is good
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To: Always Right
Really, if they are we are in big trouble because there are already over a million of them here.

How did Sept 11th happen? And to remind you, Federal agents have stopped several other devistating attacks in this country since Sept 11th. Sept 11th was to be only the first in a string of terrorists attacks on us. Don't close your eyes just yet, remember the first attack on the late Trade Center was suppose to kill 20,000 people but failed.

Why the pacifist mindset? I'm not for the abridgement of our Constitutional rights, but that is not what we are talking about here. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Why continue to bend over backwards being politically correct, when that political correctness is what put us under attack and drug us into this 30 years war in the first place. Maybe a little more suspicion of fundamentalist Islam is in order, considering our lives are at stake here and considering this is the religion whose adherents are administrating the attacks.

At least slipt the religion into factions and call each faction 'peaceful' or 'dangerous' based on the logic of the worldviews involved. Why put all of Islam into one huge melting pot, call it 'peaceful' somehow and expect those whose lives are threatened by that type of ignorance to be all happy to accept that type of rational?

122 posted on 11/15/2002 12:09:39 PM PST by God is good
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