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To: Red Jones
I think the best strategy on fighting h1b is as follows....

I think it would be a great success if they did not vote to increase the quota when the current level expires. Given the way things are going I do not hold out much hope.

What I think we should be pushing for is an American Worker Protection bill. This bill should have the following two provisions: 1. It would require a company that is laying of workers to first lay-off the H-1B temporary workers. 2. When a company asks for an H-1B petition or a green card they would have to prove that they did not lay off an American worker in the previous 12 months.

The additional two provisions would be an added bonus but are more likely just pipe dreams: 3. retroactively implement the first two provisions for the last 2 years. 4. give a tax advantage to hiring laid off American workers.

The first two provisions would go a long way in protecting American jobs while at the same time allowing companies to hire foreigners when they have a legitimate shortage of workers.

Regarding education, I do not think the government should get involved. Also, what would be the point of training kids for a profession where career and job prospects are questionable?

267 posted on 11/14/2002 8:48:46 PM PST by blueriver
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To: blueriver
what would be the point of training kids for a profession where career and job prospects are questionable?

Let me answer that question:

in order to get votes you put money in people's pockets

Also, when you educate people thus you build a constituencey against h1b type programs.

When liberals say 'yes' let's spend money like that, then they realize the foolishness of h1b.

when you educate people in this fashion you build a cadre of people that can compete, but also dominate if we do our best. we cannot train people to dominate if we use normal public schools and let people of mediocre ability work with the high aptitude people. High aptitude are the only ones who stand good chance of 1 day being valuable. It is also very much in the national interest to do this from purely economic point of view in that we need to produce and these people can help us produce.

Bush is going to spend the money some other way if you don't spend money on education like that.

Some politicians will support this just to get the federal claws in local schools. Perhaps so, you pay a price for getting rid of 195,000 limit. Local schools are a disaster for all but some upper income communities, how could federal be worse for others? To get school choice vote we simply offer a 4 grand voucher or better yet a 5 grand scholarship to the very high (top 1%) people. This is how you get the bill passed. Otherwise kaput.

You let tancredo be the first sponsor and then multiple people join him. If the repubs don't let it be on agenda, then you just vote 'no' on all politicians who won't sponsor it. When democrats are able to knock out 5-10 republicans on this issue, that's when it will be on agenda.

It will win soon afterwards.

humble pie will help us.

268 posted on 11/14/2002 10:11:53 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: blueriver
Regarding education, I do not think the government should get involved. Also, what would be the point of training kids for a profession where career and job prospects are questionable?

At least there should be a protection in case they cannot find the job in their specialty or if the wages collapse. Graduates should be able to discharge their student loans instead of becoming indentured debtors to the end of their lives (you cannot discharge student loans).

Government gives special protection to the corporations investing abroad (and special bailouts on top if "needed"), why not to give protection to the American students so investing in education is less risky?

278 posted on 11/15/2002 7:12:49 AM PST by A. Pole
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