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1 posted on 11/13/2002 3:35:07 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
When you are in a conflict and you don't know the true nature of your opponent, you are at a tremendous disadvantage

I think the problem is worse than this. I believe we actually do know the true nature of our opponent, but in our attempt to have the appearance of fairness, we refuse to act on what we know to be true.
2 posted on 11/13/2002 3:55:30 AM PST by aardvark1
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To: kattracks
The Spencer book is a brilliant and terrifying thing. Working entirely from facts -- the Qur'an, the hadith of Muhammad's life, and the history of the spread of Islam -- he constructs a powerful case that Islam will never be compatible with American concepts of individual liberty, secular law, and human moral equality. Highly recommended.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

3 posted on 11/13/2002 4:02:24 AM PST by fporretto
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To: All
killing close to 3000 of us in one day wasn't enuf...it's just in our nature to wait for a really major catastrophe...when 10s or 100s of thousands of us are killed(by chems/bios or a more probable nuke shipped to ny docks)...then and only then will the borders be *almost* closed to arabs(muslims) along with 10s of thousands of muslims being deported and/or interred...that is of course if doing so doesn't cost *too* much oil or money...
4 posted on 11/13/2002 4:03:15 AM PST by gPal
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To: kattracks
This pains me to state, but Robert Spencer speaks the truth. Islam is a religion of piece only when it is on their warped terms. These Islamic people will never rest or peacefully co-exist in a “freedom of religion” secular society, and in fact, will continue to oppress in any society.

In truth, their society, with respect to religion has not matured enough to coexist in a free society. Their growth rate in the US is truly alarming. If a majority, or a significant number, they will be much more of a problem, they religion simply is counter to the basic tenants of this country’s founding. It seems, we can thank the feel good politicians of the 60’s, including the Kennedys / Democrats for this sorry state of immigration – and the blight it has created.

6 posted on 11/13/2002 4:37:37 AM PST by RAY
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To: kattracks
The new testament contains absolutely NOTHING that could even remotely be construed as a command or incitement to Christians to use violence against non-Christians, either to spread our faith or for any other reason. People who call themselves "Christians" and who have employed violence in the name of their religion are doing so in VIOLATION of Christian scriptural commands.

On the other hand, the Quran contains EXPLICIT language that COMMANDS violence by Muslims against non-Muslims, to spread their faith and or other reasons. People who call themselves "Muslims" and who have employed violence in the name of their religion are doing so in OBEDIENCE of Islamic scriptural commands.

This is a significant difference. The medieval "Christian crusaders", it can be argued, were being disobedient to their faith. The modern Islamic terrorists are being obedient to their faith. Thus, it is legitimate to focus on Islam itself as the issue.

14 posted on 11/13/2002 7:10:56 AM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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Spencer believes the U.S. is not prepared to fight a war on terrorism because the nation fails to understand the true nature of Islam. says Robert Spencer, author of Islam Unveiled We are at WAR with ISLAM, the sooner we ACCEPT the TRUTH the sooner we will WIN! Islam is the enemy and terror is a bi-product of this enemy we face. The sooner we accept who the enemy is the way to victory will become clear. said TLBSHOW
17 posted on 11/13/2002 7:38:16 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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"Islam promotes itself first and foremost as a religion of peace ... Islam spread throughout Southeast Asia and Africa entirely by peaceful means," Young told CNSNews.com.

You bet, I'm sure it's only recently that Muslims in Africa (the Sudan, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast etc) and Southeast Asia (the Philippines, Indonesia etc) have resorted to violence to get their point across. </ sarcasm >

18 posted on 11/13/2002 7:42:35 AM PST by agrace
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"In order to fight what he sees as a growing Islamic threat, Spencer proposes that the U.S. impose strict immigration limits on Muslims entering the U.S."

It shouldn't be too difficult. Islam has been illegal in the US since 1892.

Too bad we are too "politically correct" and "tolerant" to act on it.

24 posted on 11/13/2002 9:28:07 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: kattracks
>>"Muslims occasionally do bad things, so do Jews, so do Christians, so do Hindus, so do Martians," he added.


Martians! Paging Richard Hoagland.
25 posted on 11/13/2002 12:05:24 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: kattracks
"Islam promotes itself first and foremost as a religion of peace ... Islam spread throughout Southeast Asia and Africa entirely by peaceful means,"

The last sentence is of course a lie, as the genocidal means including slavery and what not is used by Islam to spread. Then again he does admit this religion "of peace" is a salesman's solicitation, unappologetic proselytism, if not outright ideologically insulting the intelligence, very close to terrorism inherently.

27 posted on 11/13/2002 1:15:58 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: kattracks
Of course!

98% of the world's Muslims give the remainder a bad name.

29 posted on 11/13/2002 1:30:15 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Dajjal
Ping.
31 posted on 11/13/2002 1:35:57 PM PST by Siobhan
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To: kattracks
Bump for later read
36 posted on 11/13/2002 2:42:51 PM PST by usconservative
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Robert Spencer, author of Islam Unveiled and an adjunct fellow at the conservative think tank Free Congress Foundation, believes Islam's theological foundation is creating many of today's terrorists and would-be terrorists

By George, I think he's got it!

37 posted on 11/13/2002 2:44:25 PM PST by neutrino
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Young believes many people mistakenly believe Islam is a violent religion because of the "local culture" of some Muslim nations.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Many people believe islam is a violent religion because islamics are perpetrating unspeakable acts of terrorism around the world, even killing each other over disagreements! DUH! They then compound the felony by either celebrating in the streets after such acts, or by standing silent and not condemning same, loudly and publically! Lack of condemnation = support and approval!!

If anyone thinks islam is about anything other than hate and death, then they are not observing the actions of islam, and they are ignoring the resounding silence (lack of widespread condemnation) of muslims with respect to terrorist acts. Islam is its own worst enemy - islam is sowing hate and death, all by itself (no outside help), because the koran tells it to, and it WILL reap what it sows!

Stay vigilent, stay armed and never trust a muslim!

40 posted on 11/13/2002 3:06:52 PM PST by mil-vet
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To: kattracks
BTTT
41 posted on 11/13/2002 11:37:30 PM PST by Dajjal
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"Islam promotes itself first and foremost as a religion of peace ... Islam spread throughout Southeast Asia and Africa entirely by peaceful means," Young told CNSNews.com.

Excuse me? Did we miss the whole conquest of Christian North Africa and Asia Minor thing? Or Sudan and Nigeria? Guess all the violence of Central and SW asia doesn't matter...aka not mentioned above.

42 posted on 11/13/2002 11:37:55 PM PST by Stavka2
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To: kattracks
Unfortunately, Monotheism itself inherently promotes intolerance of other religions, as well as intolerance of other sects of the same religion.

The idea that there can only be ONE GOD implies to a monotheist that any but one's own notion of "god" is a "false god" which mainstream religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) all consider to be creations of the supreme being of Evil (Satan, Iblis, The Devil, etc.), and for which they reserve NO tolerance, seeing anything but their own particular brand of "god" and worship to be the only authentic one, and everything else to be a "

Nevermind the fact that "God", Allah, YHVH, Jehovah, Yahweh, etc., are all the same god from the common foundation of the "Old Testament" -- all the updates to that (the New Testament, the Catechism, the Quran) now override the original "laws" which they originally attempted to amend.

"Thou shalt not kill," throughout history, seems to be a completely disregarded ideal, since it's apparently "OK" to kill if it's someone in another religion who simply *refuses* to convert. For example: Christians maintain that the Pharisees' role in the death of Jesus was because of their viewing him as a "blasphemer" (who simply posed a threat to THEIR beliefs) and their intolerance caused them to despise him; Christianity had the Crusades, as well as the Inquisition, and even the very Knights Templar, who fought to further Christianity in the crusades, were accused of and executed for Heresy; and now Islam has its turn at a crusade, involving terrorism, for which the attackers view themselves as martyrs engaging in a holy act of killing groups of infidels.

A crusade just seems to be a stage that monotheistic religions all reach at a certain point in their existence before widespread death and barbarism finally subside as the method of spreading the religion, and the followers finally but slowly advance beyond their dark ages mentality and resort to more passive means.

Leaders of organized religion have always sought to be the source of legal authority as well. Their nature is to dominate, while always clinging to a label of "goodness" despite many of the horrible acts committed by those who serve to further the religion at any cost.
48 posted on 03/09/2004 12:27:38 PM PST by olsonuf (The Problem of Monotheism)
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To: kattracks
Death to Islam.
51 posted on 03/15/2004 6:05:12 AM PST by kanawa
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