[goldstategop]

The problem with the Flat Tax is its still an income tax and we still have the IRS. We want to get rid of both of the latter, not loosen the chains of oppression upon the masses through phony tax reform.

[ApesForEvolution]

People that would allow any system that still includes the IRS and scrutinizes how people earn and spend money without any privacy simply do not earn much money, don't pay much if any in taxes and are afraid they will actually have to pay a tax on consumption. How else anyone that earns enough to pay significant taxes could stand for anything with the IRS still intact is unfathomable. Dam*ed vampires with firearms.

[Leto]

The IRS will still be there to collect the NRST, don't kid yourself.

Without repeal of the 16th amendment we will end up with BOTH a Income Tax and a sales tax. That has happened in EVERY country that has a NRST. In every country that has has an NRST it has evolved into A VAT tax.

The problems with the NRST as not with the concept. The problem is in the politics.....

The are currently 25 rat Govenors, 204 Rat congressmen + Bernie the Socialist, 46 rat Senators + Jeffords + Chaffee
, then we have the assorted RINO's. Given this REALITY, how would a repeal of the 16th amendment be accomplished? I don't see it.

I would love to see the IRS go away, since that isn't going to happen anytime soon let's look to restrict their power. The Flat Tax goes a long, a lot of the terror they inflict comes from their ability to interpet an incomphrensible tax code to screw tax payers. If we had a system like a Forbes/Armey Flat Tax, they are no rules for the IRS to interpet. It would also have the following benefits: End the double taxation on investemnt income (some flavors eliminate income tax for business's and tax shareholders on their capital gains and dividends), it gets rid of the death tax preserving family capital and business's. Also the SS tax isn't rolled into the system. Demographically the SS System will collapse, we will need to go to a system like Chile has, if we go to a SS Inclusive NRST it will be much harder to change SS and Medicare.

A final question how much did you pay in Sales Tax last year? I don't really remember the #, but I can tell you EXACTLY how much I paid in income and FICA.

If we are going to reduce goverment spending to reasonible levels (Freidman suggest 11-12% GDP for the Feds and 20% for all levels of goverment. People have to see the direct cost to them. For the Flat tax I would go to lower rate with smaller exemptions, I would also build in a tax cut.