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National sales tax gains momentum
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, November 13, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 11/12/2002 11:46:28 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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Very important PING!
121 posted on 11/14/2002 9:47:33 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: JohnHuang2; Taxman; *Taxreform
John, this thread needs some serious bumping!

Taxman, my friend, I hope you have seen this.
122 posted on 11/14/2002 10:10:26 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Mega ping coming up, friend.
123 posted on 11/14/2002 10:51:31 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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124 posted on 11/14/2002 10:51:57 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Been here, posted, and I'm still adimantly against this !
125 posted on 11/14/2002 11:00:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
And I'm still for it -- so there! ;^)
126 posted on 11/14/2002 11:00:47 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
And it is all not only just a pipedream, but unworkable. SO THERE ! :-P

LOL

127 posted on 11/14/2002 11:04:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
We'll see about that! ;^)
128 posted on 11/14/2002 11:14:04 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
You'll NEVER live to see this happen, as stated. Count on that. LOL
129 posted on 11/14/2002 11:31:39 PM PST by nopardons
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Hey, they used to say that about the end of communism ... 'never say never' ;^)
130 posted on 11/14/2002 11:33:49 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: nopardons
Yikes! Let me amend that:

end of communism=end of Soviet Union...

131 posted on 11/14/2002 11:34:46 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
Housing sales ? P-O-O-F !

I disagree. Even without the mortgage deduction advantage a sales tax puts in a better advantage to buying a house:

Income: 40,000

Income tax: none

20% sales tax one time on 100,000 house: 20,000

sales tax on 700/mo. rent over 20 years:33,600

A family taking home 40,000 can afford a 120,000 house as easily as a family taking home 32,000 can afford a 100,000 house. Plus, they save in taxes (discounting for time would reduce the advantage ,but increasing to 30 or 50 years would add to the advantage).

Also, you are forgetting one thing. Mortgages are based off of 10 year interest rates. 10-year treasury is currently about 4%. However, the income from coupon payments is taxable. Let's look at yield of a 10-year municipal bond that is not-taxable... It is 3.45%. All non-municipal bond yields would go down, because they would all be non-taxable. Your mortgage rate would drop by the appropriate percentage. You don't need a deduction.

In fact, the whole reason for the deduction in the first place is that the person receiving the interest from your mortgage payment must pay income tax on it. Therefore, it is unfair to collect income tax on the interest twice. Almost all business income is deductable. We as consumers get screwed because we cannot deduct interest income on cars, credit-cards, etc. They are double-taxed.

To sum up, interest rates would drop, so your mortgage rate would drop. Also, companies can borrow money cheaper. This is a good thing.

Undeniable Logic

132 posted on 11/14/2002 11:34:48 PM PST by undeniable logic
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To: JohnHuang2
Yes, they did and yes, I never thought that I'd live long enough to see Hungary free.

OTOH, Communism still thrives, in some nations and this consumption tax has hidden flaws, that can ruin our economy. Remember the " LUXURY TAX " ?

133 posted on 11/14/2002 11:35:52 PM PST by nopardons
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks, John. :-)
134 posted on 11/14/2002 11:36:22 PM PST by nopardons
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OTOH, Communism still thrives, in some nations

And, don't forget, in Democrat cloakrooms ;^)

135 posted on 11/14/2002 11:36:48 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: undeniable logic
I don't have a mortgage. My house is worth a great deal more than the stated $100,000 sale price , in the example, and my income is substancially higher than the $40,000. Now, I decide to sell my present house and buy another. Right now, up to $500,000 of what I make, over what I paid for this place and the improvements made to it, over the years, is tax free. I don't have to pay a consumption tax, should I decide to buy another house/ co-op / condo.

With the consumption tax in place, I have to hope that my buyer will show up and not have a heart attack, about getting a mortgage and paying a tax on the asked for sale price. Then, I, in turn, will have to pay a consumption tax on what I buy, and pay a percentage to the realestate lady; TWICE. Maybe I don't like THAT and decide to stay here, when I'd rather or need to get out of here. Multiply that scenario, all over the country and a HUGE problem arises.

Oh, and as I stated earlier, in the places , that I am familiar with, $100,000 will buy a shack; if you're lucky. So, let's say that it'ss only be the poor, who actually buy and sell homes. How much money would that bring in ?

Yes, a consumption tax WOULD get those on the " underground economy " to pay something ; at last. What it would also do, is to stop, stone cold dead in its tracks, wealthier people from buying very high end goods and services. There would also be some sort of new " underground economy " dealings. There always are.

Interest rates, BTW, are at an all time low, right now. That isn't helping the economy.

136 posted on 11/14/2002 11:49:08 PM PST by nopardons
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To: JohnHuang2
There too; unfortunately. :-(
137 posted on 11/14/2002 11:58:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Especially now with comrade Pelosi at the helm...
138 posted on 11/15/2002 12:00:45 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Yes; however, we're winning ! :-)
139 posted on 11/15/2002 12:02:17 AM PST by nopardons
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Yes -- and, as the Gipper is wont to say, you ain't seen nothing yet! ;^)
140 posted on 11/15/2002 12:03:09 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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