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West in mortal danger from Islam, says Putin
NEWS.telegraph.co.uk | 11-12-02 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 11/11/2002 7:05:48 PM PST by doug from upland

West in mortal danger from Islam, says Putin
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels and Julius Strauss in Moscow
(Filed: 12/11/2002)

Islamic radicals are pursuing the systematic annihilation of non-Muslims, President Vladimir Putin claimed yesterday.

The Russian leader said at a European Union summit in Brussels that western civilisation faced a mortal threat from Muslim terrorists, and claimed that they had plans to create a "worldwide caliphate".

His words overshadowed the main achievement of the summit, which was to end years of wrangling over Moscow's isolated enclave in Kaliningrad.

The EU and Russia reached a compromise deal that will prevent Russian citizens from being cut off in the Baltic port as the EU's borders move east in 2004.

Mr Putin said the world no longer faced isolated acts of terrorism but a "concerted effort and programme" by a global network bent on slaughter, perhaps with nuclear weapons.

He said the West should face up to the reality that Chechen terrorists were religious extremists in league with al-Qa'eda, rather than a separatist movement seeking a breakaway republic.

If the West failed to deal with the Chechen terrorist threat, he said, there would be repeats of the Moscow theatre siege and the Bali bombing "all over the world".

Mr Putin secured a joint EU-Russian action plan to fight terrorism at the mini-summit, but he was firmly warned that Europe would not give Russia carte blanche in its fight against terrorism, particularly after reports that fragmentation bombs were being used widely against civilians in Chechnya.

Privately, EU diplomats said Mr Putin was playing the al-Qa'eda card for all it was worth, seeing it as a useful way to create a sense of common purpose with the West and heighten the strategic value of Russia.

The resolution of the Kaliningrad issue, which is highly emotive in Moscow, will have satisfied Mr Putin. The Russian press had warned of a "blue curtain" encircling a million Russians in EU territory.

But the Russian president said yesterday he was now "satisfied" that fellow-citizens living in the drab industrial hub, once the great German city of Konigsberg but now a smuggling centre, would be able to travel freely across Lithuanian territory.

Under the deal, residents of Kaliningrad will be given cheap multiple visas. This will allow Lithuania and Poland to comply with the Schengen agreement, which obliges them to eliminate their western border posts once they join the EU but at the same time erect more rigid barriers to the east, including tougher visa restrictions on Russians.

The agreement clears away one of the last obstacles to the EU's "Big Bang" enlargement of 10 mostly ex-communist states.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: killthemfirst; oursurvival; putin; terrorists
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To: crypt2k
The Chinese have a problem with the Islamics aslo. They have been stirring the stuff in the area near the Central Asian Republics. You can bet the Chinese are watching them like a hawk.
41 posted on 11/11/2002 7:45:15 PM PST by navyblue
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To: The_Reader_David
I don't have a problem with your statement. Did you read my close? I'm not here to make friends although I've made a few. My point is to point out the hypocrisy over the Russian stance with Iraq. Read the post following your response to mine. Russia was perfectly willing to throw a wrench in our Iraq plan to serve its own purpose. Is that moral clarity?

I also agree with your view of the UN. They're about as desirable as a pimple on your ass. If only they were that easy to get rid of....
42 posted on 11/11/2002 7:48:15 PM PST by mfreddy
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To: mfreddy
Ah, we just need to squeeze them a bit, and they will pop!
43 posted on 11/11/2002 7:52:30 PM PST by Owl4USA
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To: navyblue
Perhaps it all ends in a showdown between China and Islam?
44 posted on 11/11/2002 7:53:32 PM PST by crypt2k
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To: crypt2k
That would the bloodiest war ever...they are both zelots of thier own kind.
45 posted on 11/11/2002 7:56:18 PM PST by Owl4USA
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To: navyblue
The name of the game is kill them before they kill us!

We had better start the mass killing quickly or we will lose the battle.
46 posted on 11/11/2002 7:59:04 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Scully
The ones you cite cared about living to see and enjoy the fruits of the conquests. Those we now fight apparently do not care whether they die, and many actually welcome death. They are fighting Western civilizations that have a great degree of freedom. They use the freedom against us. Does anyone really believe that crap --- Our strength is our diversity?
47 posted on 11/11/2002 7:59:53 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: Solamente
"We have the Kabballa in sight....you may start your landing"


What is it about seeing them flee in panic that is so gratifying?

48 posted on 11/11/2002 8:00:24 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: tomahawk
It will apparently take Jihadi nuclear bombs and nuclear bombs in London, Paris, Berlin, etc. to wake them up to the obvious fact that militant Islam, which is to say most of Islam, is out to annihilate non-Muslims.

If the muslims continue their current wave, that is to immigrate legally/ otherwise and have more children than the native Europeans, they can take over without any force. The muslim version of the neutron bomb. This will depend upon the stupidity of the Europeans.

49 posted on 11/11/2002 8:07:27 PM PST by xJones
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To: tomahawk
It's too late for the Europeans. The barbarians are inside the gates, and out-breeding them.

Besides, they need the influx of young breeders to prop up their welfare states. In order to really right their ship, they'd have to jettison that.
50 posted on 11/11/2002 8:09:25 PM PST by Tauzero
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To: xJones
I'm glad Putin or someone on his staff is reading my stuff here! Now if Bush would tune in, we might be able to tell it like it actually is: Islam has declared war on the world; the world is just beginning to notice. islam needs to have its pietistic butt kicked back into the middle ages from which it never really emerged anyway and probably can't. The Japs were cured of emperoror-worship and the Germans were cured of naziism and the various others were cured of communism. Hello, Islam, you're time in the barrel has come now that you have stupidly insisted that the much more adequate civilizations take notice of your pathetic culture and the trouble it is causing the civilized world.
51 posted on 11/11/2002 8:11:33 PM PST by mathurine
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To: doug from upland
Granted...Rumsfeld and Cheney watch their words..but it is clear they side with many on the hill..many who desire the Saudi's and other hypocrite Muslim nations to be put in their place.
After Iraq is dealt with...America is gonna do a body cavity search on the Saudi's
And they will not stop till they hit the back of their teeth.!
52 posted on 11/11/2002 8:15:23 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: The_Reader_David; marron
Actually Russian investment in Iraq is less problematic than American investment in Saudi Arabia.

Good point. Perhaps Russia will be the source of the clear studies of International Wahhabism since our own academia is stuck in anti-Americanism, denial, third worldism, and active disinformation about the world. For now, Putin will be spun by the frontline troops of the media as having ulterior motives, even racist, for speaking the truth.

Plus Saudi money...Russia doesn't have a problem with that influence, as we do. Perhaps Russia and Saudi will come to arms...notice Putin's statements of late seeking to create a military that could stirke its enemies anywhere in the world.

53 posted on 11/11/2002 8:18:11 PM PST by Shermy
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To: mathurine
I'm glad Putin or someone on his staff is reading my stuff here!

I'm so glad and I've just having spasms to think that Pooty Poo is reading your *stuff*.

Having read a few other of your comments, I wouldn't wish you on Fritz Mondale.

54 posted on 11/11/2002 8:29:38 PM PST by xJones
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To: doug from upland
How we deal with this threat will be an interesting issue for free market capitalists, libertarians, and conservatives.

A number of the things that capitalist theory suggests we should do such as reducing barriers to trade and lubricating the wheels of trade necessarily make our way of life more susceptible to destruction.

The recent longshoreman strike showed us the downside of JIT (Just In Time) delivery systems. Sure JIT minimizes inventory costs, but look what happens when the flow of goods is stopped for just a week!

Allowing or even encouraging companies to go back to the old practice of maintaining reasonable inventories would increase the costs of everything, but would also make our economic systems a bit more robust in case of a terrorist act, e.g. blowing up a port or collapsing a tunnel over a major thoroughfare.

Backing off on JIT would have negative economic consequences, but it would not have the same negative constitutional impacts that looser wire-tapping privileges would have.

There are probably a bunch of other economic "truths" we may need to reconsider if we want to protect ourselves from terrorist attacks on our infrastructure.

Totally shutting down the border with Mexico and Canada is another that comes to mind.

Maybe Milton Friedman's nostrum should be equally applied to that of free-market capitalism: The effect of a particular policy is usually the exact opposite of that intended. Strict adherence to free-market principles may lead us to a world of desperate and disparate survivalists bartering goods between secure bomb shelters across a nuclear wasteland.

56 posted on 11/11/2002 8:34:30 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: xJones
Well, then, what do you make of islamic mayhem visited upon the rest?
57 posted on 11/11/2002 8:38:24 PM PST by mathurine
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To: Solamente
VAPORIZE THE BORG CUBE! The Russians will take care of that for you.

Let the Islamic nuts get caught being directed from Saudi Arabia and bye-bye Mecca.

58 posted on 11/11/2002 8:44:42 PM PST by txzman
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To: FreeNot
Indeed the Russians could tell stories. Remember that chechen Islamists blew up apartment buildings in Russia a couple of years ago.

Folks, the West must defend itself in order to survive.

Here's a little historical secret: The Crusades started as a DEFENSIVE response to Muslim attacks across Europe. Islamists were raiding the Vatican from bases in Sicily in the late 800's, prompting the response.

Thinking nice thoughts about the "Religion of Peace" won't stop the next bombing/sniper/hostage-taking. Only force will stop them.

59 posted on 11/11/2002 8:46:39 PM PST by Bosco
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To: Solamente
The ultimate point-and-click interface!
60 posted on 11/11/2002 8:46:49 PM PST by Chemist_Geek
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