[ravinson]

The choice is made at conception.

I guess you are unware of the fact that some women become pregnant without intending to do so. I suggest you do a little reading in the field of human biology.

The "product of conception" is a human being. To deny that is to deny scientific fact.

Feel free to try to prove that a fertilized egg has all of the essential human attributes of someone who has been born alive. You cannot do it.

If you are "pro-choice" to kill unborn babies then, to be consistent, you must be "pro-choice" to kill other children as well.

Not if you believe that a baby has a soul or is capable of surviving without any help from, or interference with its mother, but a recently formed fetus may not.

On the other hand, if you believe that the government is entitled to intervene in a dispute between a woman and her fetus, then you should have no compunction at all about the government intervening in any dispute between a born child and its parents (eg. whether the child should be forced to go to its parents' church).

[Skooz]

Your post is filled with so many specious and easily refutable points it is difficult to know where to begin. You failed to address a single point I made. You essentially just said "Uh UUuuhhhh....."

If life begins not at conception, when does life begin?

Looks human to me.

Science

The average length of a human pregnancy is 266 days or 38 weeks. Obstetricians normally use a figure of 40 weeks, but this is actually the time between the first day of the last menstrual period and childbirth. On average, the first day of the last menstrual period occurs 2 weeks before fertilization.

Following are facts about human development. They are organized according to the number of weeks since fertilization. Weeks after the first day of the last menstrual period (LMP) are shown in parentheses.

3 Weeks after Fertilization (5 weeks after LMP)
The eyes and spinal cord are visible and the developing brain has two lobes.

At this stage, according to the Supreme Court rulings in "Roe vs. Wade" and "Planned Parenthood vs. Casey," a pregnant woman can abort at will.

4 Weeks after Fertilization (6 weeks after LMP)

The heart is beating. The portion of the brain associated with consciousness (the cerebrum) and internal organs such as the lungs are beginning to develop and can be identified.

7 Weeks after Fertilization (9 weeks after LMP)

Muscles and nerves begin working together. When the upper lip is tickled, the arms move backwards. The portion of the brain associated with consciousness (the cerebrum) has divided into hemispheres.

9 Weeks after Fertilization (11 weeks after LMP)

More than 90% of the body structures found in a full-grown human are present. The medical classification changes from an embryo to a fetus. This dividing line was chosen by embryologists because from this point forward, most development involves growth in existing body structures instead of the formation of new ones. The preborn human moves body parts without any outside stimulation.

10 Weeks after Fertilization (12 weeks after LMP)

All parts of the brain and spinal cord are formed. The heart pumps blood to every part of the body. The whole body is sensitive to touch except for portions of the head. The preborn human makes facial expressions.

At this stage, according to the Supreme Court rulings in "Roe vs. Wade" and "Planned Parenthood vs. Casey," a pregnant woman can abort at will.

11 Weeks after Fertilization (13 weeks after LMP):

12 Weeks after Fertilization (14 weeks after LMP)

Electrical signals from the nervous system are measurable. After an abortion, efforts to suckle will sometimes be observed.

14 Weeks after Fertilization (16 weeks after LMP)

The premature human makes coordinated movements of the arms and legs.

18 Weeks after Fertilization (20 weeks after LMP)

The portion of the brain responsible for functions such as reasoning and memory (the cerebral cortex), has the same number of nerve cells as a full-grown adult.

At this stage, according to the Supreme Court rulings in "Roe vs. Wade" and "Planned Parenthood vs. Casey," a pregnant woman can abort at will.

24 Weeks after Fertilization (26 weeks after LMP)

Taste buds are functional. The preborn human will swallow more amniotic fluid if a sweetener is added to it. The grip is strong enough to hold onto an object that is moving up and down. If born and given specialized care, the survival rate is more than 80%.

At this stage, according to the Supreme Court's rulings in "Roe vs. Wade" and "Doe vs. Bolton," a pregnant woman can abort to preserve her health. One example from Roe vs. Wade of what may be considered harmful to a mother's health is the "stigma of unwed motherhood."

28 Weeks after Fertilization (30 weeks after LMP)

If born and given specialized care, the survival rate is more than 95%.

Premature infants born at this time are more sensitive to pain than infants who are born at 38 weeks, and infants who are born at 38 weeks are more sensitive to pain than older infants (3 -12 months old.)

32 Weeks after Fertilization (34 weeks after LMP):
(Premature infant – 3 days after birth)

38 Weeks after Fertilization (40 weeks after LMP)

Average point in time when humans are born. At birth, the medical classification changes from a fetus to a neonate. At any point prior to birth, according to the Supreme Court's rulings in "Roe vs. Wade" and "Doe vs. Bolton," a pregnant woman can abort to preserve her health. One example from Roe vs. Wade of what may be considered harmful to a mother's health is the work of caring for a child.

But, like all other Pro-Abort Zealouts you will just ignore facts and science because they disagree with you.

Abortion is the act of killing a baby. Deal with it it.