Ann Coulter: Party of Adultery and Abortion Takes A Hit

Human Events ^ | 11/8/02 | Ann Coulter

[uncbuck]

Speaking of catholics, and I'm one of those, whats with the irish form of it and Saint John Kennedy?

What exactly did he ever do for the Irish or Catholics or Americans for that matter?

[RightOnline]

What can I say except "She eyes the pitch..................she swings................it's OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[uncbuck]

Ya know I keep hearing that Bush lost the popular vote, but weren't there about 4 million absentie votes not counted cause they would have had no effect on the election outcome?

[habs4ever]

No, not at all.But to some in her corner, it is a sacrilege to not lap up her everyword.To oppose her is to advance liberalism and PC behaviour.It could be nothing more that growing weary of her prose at times.She can take politics to the edge just like in your face RATS, who we all loathe.No matter who the writer, I get bored when all the themes are seen with a political angle.

[Mustang]

Geeezzz rav....who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?

BTW, is Navato CA. in its red or blue zone?

Mustang sends.

[Mustang]

Sorry rav...make that Novato.

[ER_in_OC,CA]

Ravinson wrote:
"being pro-choice is not the same as being pro-abortion"

Well, certainly you are technically correct at least in how you've phrased this sentence.

A similar "technically correct" turn of the words might be "being pro-choice for Southern farmers to own slaves is not the same as being pro-slavery."

You are correct in drawing the fine line that many who support abortion's legality also would never have their baby vacuumed from their womb "personally."

Similarly, there were probably many people who would have never owned slaves "personally," but thought it best for the country's economy that holding slaves stay legal.

Coulter's point is that one of the Democrats' premier issues is abortion. Not just legal abortion, but legal abortion at any stage during pregnancy, for any age pregnant woman, funded by public money, without any required waiting period, and without any required parental notification, and without any rights for the father.

Because an outspoken number of democrats are "zero-tolerance" of any restrictions on abortion, she chides them by calling them the abortion party.

But now to your implicit point ... which is that "moral values" should not become part of the political scene. I'm I'm wrong as to your POV, please advise. But your comparison of abortion with adultery is a common "both are morally wrong, but I believe neither should be illegal" stance.

Two quick points:

1) Are Abortion and Adultery Equal?

There is enough substantive difference between the termination of a growing, genetically-unique human life-form and a adulterous encouter for each to be looked upon differently by the law. Certainly even the original text of Roe vs. Wade makes this point, stating that the government has a "compelling interest" in regulating abortions at certain stages of foetal development.

Similarly, there are always differences in "similar sounding" actions that result in the law becoming involved. For example, if I send a letter to our President saying "I disagree with you" the law doesn't care. If my letter says "I disagree with you so much I want to kill you," then this letter may be illegal. Both are simple letters, right? But the details of each is substantively different enough to render the "but they're both just letters!" objection weak.

2) Can moral precepts become laws?

You seem to suggest that moral precepts have little relevanct to lawmaking, but certainly a great number of our legal principles in the USA have their basis in moral law.

Certainly not ALL moral principles should become law, but that's up to the judgement of the people and consent of the governed in accordance with our Consitution.

Clearly, today's burden is on us who strongly oppose abortion's current legal status to change hearts and minds in the USA just as abolitionists changed hearts and minds in the 19th century.

But the fact that the word "abortion" is avoided by those who support it's legality is telling that there is room in people's hearts for change.

Why can't people who support abortion's legality say "I'm for abortion remaining legal" instead of substituting the word "choice?"

[uncbuck]

'Similarly, there were probably many people who would have never owned slaves "personally," but thought it best for the country's economy that holding slaves stay legal. '

Even the first republican president was pro-choice than.

*I'm paraphrasing, 'anything to keep the Union together, even if it means keeping the slaves for another 100 years'

- Abraham Lincoln

[victim soul]

Time to read or re-read

ROE v. WADE

Decided January 22, 1973

http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Roe/index.html

[uncbuck]

ping

[Verginius Rufus]

I recall hearing that in some jurisdictions absentee ballots are not counted when they would not change the outcome of the local races. I don't remember hearing of 4 million uncounted absentee ballots in 2000...I seem to recall 2 million or 2.5 million as the total of questionable ballots of various kinds (illegal voter, miscounted, etc.). At any rate the number of questionable votes was much more than Gore's plurality in the popular vote.

[Verginius Rufus]

Novato is in Marin County, which has voted more than 2-1 in favor of the 'Rat candidate over the Republican in the past three Presidential races. I don't have the figures for Novato only.

[uncbuck]

I'm not sure of the exact # but suffice it to say Gore may not have 'won the popular vote'.

Am I correct in that assumption?

[ravinson]

Nowhere does the Constitution call for murder as a choice.

You've missed my point and interjected a wacky nonsequitur. My point was that taking the position that abortion should be legal is not equivalent (morally or otherwise) to participating in an abortion, just as taking the position that adultery should be legal is not equivalent to participating in adultery.

Those who are for the religion of murder of the unborn are usally the same who are against freedom of religious choice in public schools.

I don't know what religion you are talking about, but anti-abortion zealots like you are being totally inconsistent if you think that the state is entitled to force a woman to bear children but the state is not entitled to force a woman to send her children to a school where prayer is prohibited. (I don't think the state is entitled to do either myself.)

Who is more likely to commit adultury within the week, President Bush or Bill Clinton?

Another nonsequitur. Coulter didn't limit her remarks to Bush and Clinton. Had she done so it appears that she would have been on much firmer ground.

Which camp champions the cause of adultury as a basic right?

I don't know of any political parties that "champion the cause of adultury as a basic right". I do know that plenty of Republican and Democratic office holders commit adultery.

Go get any 20 Republicans off the street and any 20 Democrates. Then ask each one who is more likely to vote for a candidate based on character.

Republicans and Democrats both seem to be quite willing to vote for candidates with deep character flaws, as their respective senatorial nominations in Arkansas vividly demonstrate.

[ravinson]

I stated: Moreover, being pro-choice is not the same as being pro-abortion.

To which you replied: Of course it does. It means you're in favor of abortions being performed. That's pro-abortion.

Do you think that smoking cigarettes should be legal? If so, does that mean that you want people to smoke and are "pro-smoking"? Of course not. Don't be silly.

[ravinson]

...she gets people fired up and enthusiastic about being conservative.

Only people who are already zealots. Meanwhile, she turns off people who are fiscally conservative but not so authoritarian.

she is a total babe, way smart

There are plenty of smarter and better looking conservative women out there.

[ravinson]

You are a head-in-the-sand zealot who will never convince anyone of anything with your demagoguery.

[ravinson]

More left wing lies and hate.

I'm not at all "left wing" so your comments are totally misdirected.

The Republicans never made his adultry [sic] an issue.

Sure they did -- particularly Ann Coulter -- and she's doing it again.

[ravinson]

Whats a matter [sic] rav ? Don't like blond women who are smarter than you?

Ann Coulter is not that smart and she's not really a blond either (check the roots), so you're 0 for 2. I hope for your sake that your slump ends real soon.

[ravinson]

Well stated, habs. The "Coulter Cultists" overlook some rather obvious flaws.