To: Godel
Ah, so you are going on record as calling the Israelites and Joshua and, by extension and proxy, the Lord of Hosts YOUR GOD "evil beyond a doubt"?
You have been successfully baited, Godel, and you have fallen into the pit you yourself have digged.
Just try to avoid sloppy use of absolute descriptions.
By the way, master of ignorant judgementalism, absolutism, and overstatement, the Spartans did not advocate the murder of healthy newborns: They advocated and practiced the pragmatic murder of two-year-old children who, after physical examination, were determined unable to grow up to be Spartans. I do not know what reproductive customs the helots of Sparta practiced.
I do not see the killing of severe defectives wrong. On the contrary, I believe forcing parents and doctors to take extreme measures to prolong a life that will never amount to a functional human being to be truly evil.
To: demosthenes the elder
I do not see the killing of severe defectives wrong. On the contrary, I believe forcing parents and doctors to take extreme measures to prolong a life that will never amount to a functional human being to be truly evil. I don't disagree. If you look at it from an evolutionary point of view, spending millions of dollars trying to save people who were never meant to live, and then they have children then you spend billions saving their kids, obviously you've removed natural selection from the equation, and the gene pool is going to take a drastic turn for the worse.
But you might want to consider that the average woman in Europe has only 1.4 kids, when you need 2.1 to break even. In Russia there are 225 abortions every 100 live births. Is Western Civilization committing suicide by killing its own children? How does it fit into your system of fitness, that a productive, educated, and intelligent nation like the US kills off a vast majority of its potential children with abortion, or never has them at all due to birth control. Meanwhile, third world nations that have never produced anything of note, have 6-8 children per woman, and begin mass immigration into Western countries.
Birth Control + Abortion = Suicide Pill of the West. Are you implying that Western Civilization that singlehanded invented the entire modern era is somehow unfit and that their extinction due to the current demographic crisis is a good thing?
427 posted on
11/15/2002 9:45:17 PM PST by
Godel
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