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To: palmer; MHGinTN; w.t.sherman; supercat; .30Carbine; Coleus; rdb3; Southack; irksome1; ...
While my use of emotions like empathy for my decision is imperfect...

Imperfect = arbitrary. The only thing that is for certain not arbitrary on this earth, is death. Everything on the earth that is alive, dies at some point. Death is perfect and not arbitrary.

For anything to be considered alive by the current standards of terran biology, it must have cell division, DNA replication, mitosis. All living things on the earth have this. All living things on this earth have DNA. This has been shown so far not to be an arbitrary quality.

In order to have death, something has to first be alive. This is the major sticking point in the abortion argument. The unborn child from the point of that first mitosis is indeed alive. Most people aren't intellectually honest enough to admit that they are killing with abortion.

My argument here is deductive and supported by facts. Arguments I have seen to the contrary are inductive, invalid argument forms of logic and only supported by emotion - - something imperfect and arbitrary.

Your imperfect and arbitrary argument comes from empathy, pathos, despair, phantasms in the brain of the maker (you), which does have a similitude to a religious belief or an ethereal foundation (per Hobbes, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Kierkegaard, Aquinas, Augustine, et al). I'm an atheist and I won't let you slide on that.

This is, in part, why I say abortion is a practice of ritual mass murder, a collective sacrifice to pagan idolatries.

200 posted on 11/11/2002 6:11:23 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
The only thing that is for certain not arbitrary on this earth, is death.

Death is arbitrary too. There is no moment of death just as there is no moment of life. And once the body is dead beyond any doubt, the memory of the deceased lives on in the survivors.

201 posted on 11/11/2002 6:37:42 AM PST by palmer
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
If you are atheistic, then you fail to grasp the meaning of the last paragraph of your post. Spiritual domains do exist, not of this world, characterized by persons with explicit character who are not men. The a collective sacrifice to pagan idolatries has more meaning than simply ranting idiots imposing their private personage upon inanimate objects.

Your statement might be more truthful, though than you may have meant.

202 posted on 11/11/2002 6:39:25 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Arguments I have seen to the contrary are inductive, invalid argument forms of logic and only supported by emotion - - something imperfect and arbitrary.

Emotion is imperfect but certainly not arbitrary. If I cut myself, I feel pain. Nothing arbitrary about it. When I see someone else in pain, I recognize my humanity in their humanity and feel empathy. That's not arbitrary.

213 posted on 11/11/2002 7:50:54 AM PST by palmer
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
This is, in part, why I say abortion is a practice of ritual mass murder, a collective sacrifice to pagan idolatries.

This statement, on first reading, sounds outlandish and paranoid.

Upon investigation, one cannot escape the inevitable conclusion that it is true, in both the figurative AND literal sense of the words. The cognitive dissonance resulting from denial of this fundamental truth is what makes the pro-abortion crowds' pro-death arguments so vicious and spiteful: they are trying to drown out their own consciences.

It isn't working.

235 posted on 11/11/2002 9:24:49 AM PST by Petronski
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I just met a boy who was born after only 5 months in the womb-- that's right, four months pre-mature. He is 3 now, and doing very well.
280 posted on 11/11/2002 8:44:41 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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