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To: Bonaparte
Is God subject to natural law?

No. Is there any evidence God used anything but natural law to achieve the world around us? No. Does this indicate Genesis is an allegory? Yes.

1,311 posted on 11/19/2002 2:44:48 AM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
Is there any evidence God used anything but natural law to achieve the world around us? No.

There is evidence indeed that He intelligently designed the Universe and everything around us. The impossibility of abiogenesis by 'natural law' is proof of it. First of all is Pasteur's proof that life does not come from inert matter (and this was of course at one time the prediction of materialists). Then came the discovery of DNA and the chemical basis of organisms. This poses a totally insurmountable problem to abiogenesis. The smallest living cells has a DNA string of some one million base pairs long and some 600 genes, even cutting this number by a quarter as the smallest possible living cell would give us a string of some 250,000 base pairs of DNA. It is important to note here that DNA can be arranged in any of the four basic codes equally well, there is no chemical or other necessity to the sequence. The chances of such an arrangement arising are therefore 4^250,000. Now the number of atoms in the universe is said to be about 4^250. I would therefore call 4^250,000 an almost infinitely impossible chance (note that the supposition advanced that perhaps it was RNA that produced the first life has this same problem).

The problem though is even worse than that. Not only do you need two (2) strings of DNA perfectly matched to have life, but you also need a cell so that the DNA code can get the material to sustain that life. It is therefore a chicken and egg problem, you cannot have life without DNA (or RNA if one wants to be generous) but one also has to have the cell itself to provide the nutrients for the sustenance of the first life. Add to this problem that for the first life to have been the progenitor of all life on earth, it necessarily needs to have been pretty much the same as all life now on earth is, otherwise it could not have been the source of the life we know. Given all these considerations, yes, abiogenesis is impossible.

Therefore your belief that the Bible is an allegory to be interpreted as you wish is just based on your materialistic/atheistic desires, not on fact, not on the Bible.

BTW - it should be noted that once I asked you to back up your statement that the Bible said that man was created by natural laws you declined and changed your tune. Shows how hard it is to extract the truth from an evolutionist.

1,317 posted on 11/19/2002 5:55:07 AM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
Bonaparte: "Is God subject to natural law?"

Junior: "No. Is there any evidence God used anything but natural law to achieve the world around us? No. Does this indicate Genesis is an allegory? Yes."
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There is also no scientific evidence that Jesus rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. Does this mean that the Resurrection and Ascension are "allegory?"

1,379 posted on 11/19/2002 11:05:37 AM PST by Bonaparte
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