Origin of the Specious

Reason Online ^ | 1997 | Ronald Bailey

[balrog666]

An interesting read and an interesting discusson. Thanks for the ping.

[uncbuck]

I did not state that atheism is Un-constitutional, just that they are incompatable.

[f.Christian]

Running joke is 'evo-science'...
biggest cult of oxy-moonie-morons---art bells!

Latest evo gem---ARTISTRY!


Like FR 'patrickhenry'...

"search for the creator via evolution"---

"total--only evolution" too---"No Competition"!


The papal encyclical rightwingprofessor-whack thinks/interprets---"professes evolution"...

could abortion be next???


Nebullis..."preschool evolution---INTENSIVELY"---


donh...

"if the sun can create crystals-snowflakes...human life "could have---most likely"(not certainly) follow"---

(Why, if the sun can create crystals and snowflakes, can't it create life?)

(How much different is my paraphase of your rhetorical question---statement!)


also by donh...

"Nor have I even suggested that 'most' nazi germans were christians, though I think it's likely so."

"christian values and sentiments were the majority religeous view in Germany between 1938 and 1946"

BIG WHOPPER!

Hitler and nazi germany were mostly Judeo-Christians---creationists!

(With this statement we can safely say bankrobbers/murderers are auditors/morticians!)


dominick harr..."just like a ball bouncing down the stairs----evolution created everything"---

jennyp..."anarchist evolutionary(natural) capitalism---Christianity(manmade) is communism"---

and patrickhenry doesn't know..."if prior to darwin---if science existed"...

SkyRat...Divine hammer-retribution from above via evolution!

exdemmom...evolution is the "lug wrench" that fixes science--biology/life!

Running sores of evo schlock!

Evolution is Truth/science/history ABORTION--freaks!

[Junior]

Atheists don't believe in supernatural beings...

Ahem, atheists do not believe in God or gods. However, this does not mean they do not believe in supernatural beings. Technically, Buddhists are atheists, as they have no god; however, they most definitely believe in the supernatural.

[uncbuck]

I note that you don't believe that all men are created equal, is it safe to assume you feel superior to other men?
If so, then why would you follow any law written by men from an age of inferior knowledge about HUMAN nature. For if 12 years is enough for there to be fault with the DoI (written by Jefferson, clearly a strict interpretationist)then surely 213 years is enough to see that superior intellect could overcome such dribble as the Constitution of the United States of America written by men such as Madison and others on the commity with little intellect.
To assume that Jefferson would have agreed with the article and have suggested a Creator for use as a form of mind control is absurd.

[f.Christian]

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY(pc/liberal/govt-religion/rhetoric)...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO1984 LIBERAL NEO-Soviet Darwin/ACLU America---the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...Atheist secular materialists through ATHEISM/evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations...demolished the wall(separation of state/religion)--trampled the TRUTH-GOD...built a satanic temple/SWAMP-MALARIA/RELIGION(cult of darwin-marx-satan) over them---REDACTED and made these absolutes subordinate--relative and calling/CHANGING all the... residuals---technology/science === TO evolution via schlock/sMUCK IDEOLOGY/lies/bias...to substantiate/justify their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...anti-God/Truth RELIGION(USSC monopoly)--and declared a crusade/WAR--JIHAD--INTOLERANCE/TYRANNY(breaking the establishment clause)...against God--man--society/SCIENCE!!

[f.Christian]

To: f.Christian

Now I follow, thank you. Actually, I don't disagree with this at all since I see the left as abandoning the uncertianty of democracy and majority rule for the assurance technocracy and expert rule.

152 posted on 9/10/02 12:17 PM Pacific by Liberal Classic

and...

To: f.Christian

Dakmar...

I took a few minutes to decipher that post, and I must say I agree with a lot of what you said.

fC...

These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Dakmar...

Where you and I diverge is on the Evolution/Communism thing. You seem to view Darwin and evolution as the beginning of the end for enlighted, moral civilization, while I think Marx, class struggle, and the "dictatorship of the proletariat" are the true dangers.

God bless you, I think we both have a common enemy in the BRAVE-NWO.

452 posted on 9/7/02 8:54 PM Pacific by Dakmar

[uncbuck]

thanks for the conversation it was entertaining.

[BMCDA]

Nope, the Constitution is absolutely compatible with both: theism and atheism.

[PatrickHenry]

I can't figure out what you're talking about.

[BMCDA]

OK, then what is a god and what is just a supernatural being? And what is with demigods? Is it allowed to believe in them and still be an atheist?
Fact is, it's very hard to define what a god really is and usually people who don't believe in gods don't believe in 'lower' supernatural entities either.
Also, as far as I know, Buddhists may believe that a supernatural realm exists but I doubt that they believe in any supernatural beings.

[f.Christian]

To: f.Christian

The fact that the nomenclature of the political spectrum is
is reversed in the USA indicates the radical nature of our republic. The radical idea of the 18th century was reducing the power of central authority in favor of individual liberties. American liberals of today seem more interested
in returning those hard won individual freedoms to the central government. (I deliberatly use the term central rather than federal because I am a Southerner who recoqnizes the difference.)

American conservatives today are Classical Liberals.


7 posted on 10/25/2002 9:34 PM PDT by limitedgov

[uncbuck]

Maybe I just don't get it, but doesn't the article suggest that the only use of creationism over darwinism is to control the unknowing masses who aren't in on the "game"?

That is to say that the belief in the existence of god or a religious belief is purely for the mindless, reasonless, unscientific masses. And that if darwinism is taught too much, control of those masses and the self realization that we are not all equal, would create a world of anarchists, hell bent (pardon the use of religious symbolism) on the advancment of their own pleasure and to hell (sorry again) with any other HUMAN ANIMAL thats gets in their way!

For don't the 'wild animals' on the planet eat eachother and kill eachother for there own advancement.

That's not to say that we as Humans and even in god's name haven't done the same. But do we not have the realization that it is wrong? And evan the senseable islamic peoples of the world realize that what happened on 9/11 is evil.

Evil is only evil when it is viewed from that point which separates us from the animals, our

judeo/christian/buddist/mohammadan/toaist/hindu

morality. (I'll be PC and apologise if I've left out any of you mindless masses)

That Morality is what separates us from the liberals in the world.

Humanism you may suggest is what truely recognises evil, but I don't see the proof in that. Isn't humanism the same mind controling system just rapped up in different clothing?

[uncbuck]

humanism = atheism in my rant.

[f.Christian]

What the article is saying evolutionists/atheist/nazis want to use religion for social engineering/control!

[Junior]

A supernatural being could be a ghost or demon or even a faerie. All gods are supernatural beings. Not all supernatural beings are gods.

[uncbuck]

I partilly agree with you Fletch,

The control suggested is useful to any governing body, be that communism, nazism, cristianity, democracy, or even with what we currently live under, republics. Even in a chat room such as this, for with out 'rules' are we not 'entitled' to the use of profanities in what ever form we wish.
Is not the code we have been typing under really a sense of mind control, and not a sense of courtesy to our fellow readers? (hint of sarcasm here)
We aren't 'allowed'(commandments) to type 'foul words' (sins)according to the 'creators'(gods) who run(govern) the site (universe).

[uncbuck]

Otherwise we are kicked off, (sent to hell). And not allowed to return to the site (heaven).

Hope it helps your ego/s web masters. lol

[f.Christian]

I only conform if it's voluntary...or I rebel---'no matter what'...

Liberty(spirit/soul) or death(flesh)!

No compromise!

[f.Christian]

To: f.Christian

Great points. Liberals are actually conservative; while conservatives are liberal.


16 posted on 10/30/2002 10:48 AM PST by Ff--150