[Technogeeb]

He fears that too many people will actually learn the truth about the possibility of eliminating the socialist/marxist income tax

So now my opposition to a system that creates the possibility of communism merely on the whim of an unelected bureaucracy is "marxist"? If anything is "marxist", it is your defense of a system that involves government handouts to every household in the U.S.

Of course he'll come back denying that he's pro income tax

More Strawman attacks. I have never advocated an income tax, nor opposed a national retail sales tax as a replacement for an income tax. What I oppose is your stupid government handout mechanism. Not only is it socialism, but as the bill is written it gives arbitrary power over the amount of those government handouts to an unelected bureaucracy. That, quite clearly, is a flaw. At least Zon has (finally, rather than ignoring the flaw for so long) proposed a solution to this flaw by making a "fraudulent" value for the poverty level illegal. Even so, that solution is probably unworkable (a better solution would be to remove that as a basis of the calculation entirely, or base it on a percentage of average per capita income).

But the bill as proposed does not provide a solution to that flaw, and your Ad hominem arguments (ironically calling me a "marxist" BECAUSE I oppose a system that would implement socialism) do nothing to correct that fatal flaw.

[Principled]

Keep on flappin' techno!

I haven't a use for the combination of stupidity and/or dishonesty you've shown.

How a refund redistributes wealth???? How dumb is that... so dumb I think you may be lying.

Some places you say that it would be better to simply exempt certain items rather than refund the tax on necessites. What's the difference?

You need government to define what you need? Not me.

Why would you want or need to have government in control of what "necessities" are... that's the difference you desire.

Ignorant or purposefully misleading- I have no use for either. SHould you ever decide to be honest I am happy to engage.

Go ahead and use some big words on me now.... it'll make you feel better.

Happy FReeping or DU-ing or wherever you usually hang.

[Zon]

At least Zon has (finally, rather than ignoring the flaw for so long) proposed a solution to this flaw by making a "fraudulent" value for the poverty level illegal.

I didn't ignore the flaw, I simply didn't see it as anything other than tin-foil-hat delusion until you had demonstrated an accumulated high degree of dishonesty in your posts -- witnessing that -- suddenly I realized that someone like Technogeeb could end up in a position of power and thus I saw the need for such a law.