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My claim that the HHS has a long track record of honesty was not a lie. It was an error

My apologies; I assumed that anyone familiar enough with the HHS to be willing to transfer so much power over the economy to it would be sufficiently familiar with its history. But you, who have labeled simple statements of fact as "deception", along with your many other unfounded personal attacks, should not be so quick to be offended.

I compare the track record of the basically honest HHS to the basically corrupt IRS. They are miles apart

The HHS is anything but "basically honest". I suggest you take a closer look at the various scandals that have plagued the agency. In any case, it is irrelevant, since even if it was an "honest" agency (and it is not), the idea of transferring arbitrary power over the economy to it via the "prebate" system is foolish. Even it it were an "honest" agency, there is no mechanism in place to assure that it would continue to be so. And in any case, even with "honest" numbers, the "prebate" system is still a government handout to every household in the U.S.

You, with your tin-foil hat assert: "They [HHS] can simply say the poverty level is $150,000."

It isn't a tin-foil hat assertion when they really can do that, and the current system would allow them to do just that. Not only is your attack Ad Hominem, it isn't even remotely accurate.

That you fail to acknowledge the wide disparity in the comparatively honest track record in the HHS calculating the poverty level

As has already been shown (and even admitted to by members of previous administrations) no such "honest track record" exists. In fact, the opposite (manipulation of the value for political purposes) is the case. To believe that somehow the HHS will suddenly become "honest" and not abuse power that it historically already has abused is quite foolish, especially when it would relate to the ability to socialize the entire economy via the "prebate" government handouts.

from the track record of fraud perpetrated by congress regarding the graduated income tax is to be expected from persons that chose deceit over honesty.

I claim you have lied because you state something that is a lie, and you get offended and insist your lie was just an "error". Then you claim that my opposition to giving an unelected bureacracy essentially total control of the economy is "deceit" and somehow equates to support of the graduated income tax, something I have never advocated. Once again, it is you who are being deceitful, since in this case you are setting up a Straw Man argument that I have never advocated.

Your lies and personal attacks do nothing to refute the clear flaws in the system you are advocating. Government handouts to every household in the United States (the "prebate" mechanism) is socialism. To claim that it is otherwise is a lie.

Zon: You, with your tin-foil hat assert: "They [HHS] can simply say the poverty level is $150,000." 943

It isn't a tin-foil hat assertion when they really can do that, and the current system would allow them to do just that.

And you can go postal and shoot up the local mall and kill a dozen people. If the HHS declared the poverty level was anywhere near $150,000 is would be a completely obvious fraud.

Zon: You demonstrated your intent to deceive the reader. Thus rendering yourself not to be trusted or respected because you disrespect the reader. You probably think you can mislead and try to deceive the reader and that they should just comply with you and answer your questions or take you seriously. You deserve no person's attention in a discussion. Scorn. That's what you deserve. 936

Technogeeb: Your lies and personal attacks do nothing to refute the clear flaws in the system you are advocating. Government handouts to every household in the United States (the "prebate" mechanism) is socialism. To claim that it is otherwise is a lie. And since that system allows an unelected bureaucrat to determine the value of those handouts (with no additional action by Congress once the system is enacted), the only thing preventing it from becoming pure communism is the goodwill of the bureaucrats. 939

Your comments are on record; I'm glad to let the reader juxtaposition our comments.