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To: CliffC
There are no monthly forms for individuals to fill-out. Nor, is there any 'watchdog' organization such as the IRS that besieges individual taxpayers.

Sure there is, if you want the bite of a 30% (or higher) NRST reduced you fill out governemnt forms.

My analysis of Chapter 3, section 301.

The rebate may be claimed by sending a form to the government (IRS) consisting the names of the members, their social security numbers, the family member the check will be made out to, certification of citizenship for each member, certification of completeness of list of members, certification that no member were incarcerated as of date and the address, signed under penalties of perjury by all of-age members. Filing for a rebate is not necessary, unless you want the rebate.

For filing a false rebate form you face criminal indictment. For a mistaken or wrong rebate form you face civil penalties. These are covered by Section 505.

Notice the last paragraph. What kind of organization would be necessary to do this?

Like the forms retail businesses must send in, it will be sone monthly. If it is done yearly, how will that help?

No IRS?

My analysis of Chapter 4, section 401.

States who have a sales tax and sign an agreement with the feds will collect and remit the government's position, other wise a federal agency will do it directly (Section 404), as it will if the state breaches the agreement in a number of ways. See the section itself for details.

Further analysis of Chapter 3, section 301.

Each family, living in the same residence, composed of individual, spouses, and other direct relatives who have social security numbers, and are citizens can claim a rebate on taxes paid for a month (Section 302 and 305) of the current tax rate x the poverty rate (Section 303) determined by the Department of Health and Human Services. Section 302, 303 and 305 are complex with many inclusions and exceptions requiring administration and oversight.

What kind of organization will be needed to administrate the process?

If you have a problem with my analysis, post specifically where I read the actual wording of the bill wrong and how it is wrong.

817 posted on 11/09/2002 7:28:41 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: William Terrell

The rebate may be claimed by sending a form to the government (IRS) consisting the names of the members, their social security numbers, the family member the check will be made out to, certification of citizenship for each member, certification of completeness of list of members, certification that no member were incarcerated as of date and the address, signed under penalties of perjury by all of-age members. Filing for a rebate is not necessary, unless you want the rebate.

For filing a false rebate form you face criminal indictment. For a mistaken or wrong rebate form you face civil penalties. These are covered by Section 505.

Notice the last paragraph. What kind of organization would be necessary to do this?

Department of Justice, and the Social Security Administration same as now. Certainly not an "IRS" as the particular form you mention happens to be for claiming the Family Consumption Allowence, a payment from the government, and not a Tax on an individual. Note the application for the FCA is voluntary. If you do not want to receive the FCA, you are not required to make the application. If you do apply you are required to be truthful DUH!!

Like the forms retail businesses must send in, it will be sone monthly. If it is done yearly, how will that help?

Retail businesses report their sales and remitted the sales tax they collect monthly to their state sales tax authority under the NRST. Which just goes to demonstrate your incapacity to read the bill with any comprehension you mix disparate sections and attempt to make invalid comparisons.

Each family, living in the same residence, composed of individual, spouses, and other direct relatives who have social security numbers, and are citizens can claim a rebate on taxes paid for a month (Section 302 and 305) of the current tax rate x the poverty rate (Section 303) determined by the Department of Health and Human Services. Section 302, 303 and 305 are complex with many inclusions and exceptions requiring administration and oversight.

What kind of organization will be needed to administrate the process?

Department of Health and Human Service, and the Social Security Administration which are already doing that work now. inclusion & exceptions ?? in regard to statistical analysis of the aggregate economy, not the NRST levied at the cash register. That is what the Bureau of Statistics does now you know. No IRS required hear.

Once again we see the clear demonstration of your intent to twist the content of the legislation to your own agenda. Rather than an objective analysis of what is really in the bill.

Note you make claims for a "rebate" where the bill addresses the Family Consumption Allowence, and try to tie that into being a tax return such as an IRS would demand. The application you point to is voluntary and does not have one bit of financial information in it.

Such twists and turns are the clear actions of the demogogue not the objective analyst you would like other's to believe to be.

It is sufficient to provide the references for others to determine this for themselves from the following references:

H.R.2525
SPONSOR: Rep Linder, John (introduced 07/17/2001)
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer: http://www.fairtax.org & http://www.salestax.org


827 posted on 11/09/2002 8:06:19 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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