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With a VAT/NRST, we could see an income tax brought back, and we get the worst of both worlds.

You need to learn more... we are in far more danger of having both an income tax and sales tax NOW than we would be if we passed hr2525...even without repealing the 16th first.

If we passed hr2525:
the IRS is defunded
all existing income tax records are destroyed
the income tax code is 100% erased from existence
all withholding ends - ALL withholding ends.

Now it is certainly possible to refund the IRS, research and recollect all necessary data on every individual, rewrite an income tax code and pass it, and convince the voters that we need to start paycheck withholding again. But that ain't likely.

Compare that to today- we have absolutely NO protection against getting both systems. We could wake up tomorrow with them.

If your concern is having two tax systems, you will want to pass HR2525 pronto, and not wait to repeal. That may take longer than our window of opportunity- cuz the dems don't like this idea ya know.

Just thought I'd bump this to finish reading it, later. Also wanted to comment on this, as well as ping a friend to see what he thinks of my logic, here.

Suffice to say that I agree with you. The sooner we pass HR 2525 the better. And for those of you who fear getting BOTH a sales tax and an income tax, let me paint you a picture.

Spring 2003, President Bush pushes HR 2525 through the Republican controlled Congress and it passes. As a result, the IRS is defunded, all records are destroyed, and the tax code is erased. Yes, it's POSSIBLE that the Income Tax can be reinstated, but it'd take a while for it to reconstitute itself. And it'd only happen under Democratic control, which would mean not for at least 2 years.

So for the next 2 years Americans are living with a NRST rather than an Income Tax. Americans take home ALL of their pay, while buying products that are cheaper. The economy improves, and the American people as a whole get wealthier.

Then Election 2004 comes around. The American people have now lived for 2 years free of the IRS and are happy with the new system. They certainly wouldn't want the OLD system to come back. And that, my friends, is when the Republicans POUNCE!

Amendment XVI becames a campaign issue. The Republicans POUND the Democrats, telling the American people that if Democrats regain control of the Presidency and/or Congress that they'll reinstate the IRS and the Income Tax, and therefore it's important that a Republican majority be elected in order to REPEAL the 16th Amendment.

So Americans go to the polls, vote Republican, and the Republicans gain the super majority necessary to repeal the 16th Amendment.

President Bush these past couple of months successfully nationalized the elections and gave us a stunnning victory as a result. The War on Terror may not be as potent an issue in 2004 as it was this year, but that doesn't mean we won't be able to nationalize the 2004 elections. Only this time, it'll be with the Tax issue rather than the Terror issue.

So anyway, that's my logic. Passing HR 2525 will effectively DOOM Amendment 16, as once people spend a year or 2 living under HR 2525 they'll prefer it immensely and will NEVER want to go back to Income Tax, much less an Income Tax ON TOP OF a National Sales Tax, and will vote for any candidate who'll assure them that that'll never happen.

So can anyone point out to me where my logic is flawed?