[hchutch]

To respond to Post 253:

I don't know, either, but Forbes got his butt kicked by Dole in `96 over this. If I knew why there was a hang-up, it would make it a lot easier to address said hang-up.

As for the 401(k)s, that needs to change. We ought to encourage people to save for retirement, and get rid of the hit when they withdraw after the retirement age for Social Security.

Now for Post 256:

Forbes had a good plan - I supported him in `96 and 2000 (Hatch was a close second in 2000).

[Phantom Lord]

Forbes got his butt kicked because, well, he's Steve Forbes! Aside from the geek factor, he had the richer than god factor going against him when proposing tax reforms to 'the little people'.

Forbes had the message, but he is not the right messenger.

As far as saving for retirement, the GOP has been trying to increase donation limits to said accounts and have had some success but constantly run into the RATS class-baiting campaigns and are unable to counter the RATS when they yell "THE RICH!"