Posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:44 AM PST by logic101.net
TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02
When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.
Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.
IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!
Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!
Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.
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You stated that all candidates on the ballot for an office have an equal chance of winning. They do not. LP candidates have slim to no chance of winning due to all the reasons I cited, including running for too high of an office. Let's take the WI Gov race. Your candidate, Ed Thompson, had unique advantages over most of your candidates, still he only got 11%. You tend to take an inexperienced colt, with an overweight rider, and enter him in the KY Derby against the best 3yr old horses in the nation. Yet you wonder why they loose.
Why not work within the ranks of the Democratic party and change them instead?
Remember Hillery Care? New anti-gun legislation? Increased taxes on SS? How about activist judges? Get a grip man! Fine, just watch the soon to be new House Minority Leader; watch her for a year then tell me you'd even get a voice in the DNC! Oh, and let's not forget, on the national level; Democrats don't tolerate much disent - Republicans do (they still allow McCain to rant and rave, don't they? But look what happened to Traficant, as opposed to Toricelli - until it looked like he was going to loose).
MARK A SITY
Do the math.
* means NRA endorsment. Grade is the NRA grade. Wisconsin:(D) Doyle 800,958 F
*(R) McCallum 732,781 A
(L) Thompson 185,085
Do you assume someone who votes Libertarian would vote Republican if their only choice is between Republican and Democrat?
Were they voting for the Libertarian because they oppose gun control? If so, they shot themselves in the foot by helping elect Doyle, rated F by the NRA.
There's no way to know what motivates a person to vote the way they do. That's exactly my point. Nevertheless you've made the assumption that Libertarians would otherwise vote Republican.
Your premise is wholly invalid and makes you look like a bitter, sore loser.
(D) Doyle 800,958 [NRA F rating](R) McCallum 732,781 [NRA A rating]
(L) Thompson 185,085
True. There are some people who don't care that they helped elect Doyle.
Interestingly, no past presidents who vetoed legislation on principle needed a line-item veto to keep government small and Congress under control. To say that Reagan was helpless without the line-item veto is to make excuses and distract people.
...Newt got passed line item veto power...the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional...we need this as an Ammendment to the Constitution...
We don't need a line-item veto (which is a gimmick). What we need are presidents with the stern resolve to stand their ground and veto legislation until Congress acquiesces.
Do you know why Republicans want the line-item veto? So they can veto all the Democratic pork but pass pork of their own.
I already refuted this assertion. Your comparison of elections to horse races was absurd. Betting on horses in no way affects the outcome of the race. Voting directly affects the outcome of an election.
LP candidates have slim to no chance of winning due to all the reasons I cited, including running for too high of an office.
The only thing making it difficult for Libertarians to get elected are election laws enacted by Republicans and Democrats to obstruct competition from third-parties.
New anti-gun legislation? Increased taxes on SS? How about activist judges? Get a grip man!
George W. Bush recently came out in support of ballistic-fingerprinting for guns. He previously signed the Project Safe Neighborhoods legislation which had a gun-control provision. He said he supports stricter enforcement of existing gun-control (but not the repeal of any gun-control).
I'm not content to settle for simply preventing things from getting worse (as if they could get any worse). I want to repeal laws and get government out of our lives. I don't want to slow the growth of government, I want to reduce it. I don't want stricter enforcement of existing gun-control laws, I want them repealed. I don't want the government to take our money and then give it back to us in the form of school vouchers, I want government out of education. I don't want Social Security phased out over 65 years. I want government out of the retirement business within 1 to 2 years. Only Libertarians will do these things.
No logic, Republicans have abondoned the conservative movement.
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