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To: Truth Telling Guy
My polling place had a sign that said, "Turn off all cell phones and beepers." Am I to assume the machines are sooooo fragile that a mere cell phone will crash it?

There's no back up to the optical scanner. It's ripe for fraud. All these people walking around saying "ATM, ATM, ATM" must know the ATM is only as honest as the bank and programmer behind it.

A machine is not "honest" or "not honest". It just does what it's programmed to do.

If the program is to take a penney out of every third account, the machine will do that. If it's to drop one of every 30 Republican votes, that's what it will do.

I want a machine that can be double checked. I want a paper trail.

10 posted on 11/05/2002 11:11:26 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: GOPJ; afz400; DownWithGreenspan; dhfnc; Blood of Tyrants; rintense
Arkansan pleads guilty in vote fraud
By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


A former city official in Helena, Ark., a historic old Mississippi River town, has pleaded guilty to fraudulent voting in an agreement that dismisses further charges of intimidating a witness by brandishing a gun. Top Stories


Larry Gray, former sanitation director for the city of Helena, was charged with submitting more than 25 absentee ballots for the May 21 primary election in Phillips County, where there is a history of voter fraud.
But authorities say Mr. Gray falsely applied for 200 absentee ballots, and submitted at least 98 ballots in the Democratic primary for state Senate, state House and sheriff. The investigation is ongoing.
Mr. Gray's guilty plea Thursday in the U.S. District Court of the Eastern District of Arkansas is the first to emerge from an FBI investigation into charges of election fraud in Phillips County.
The plea agreement avoids a grand jury investigation, but Mr. Gray faces five years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine.
"This is just one guy. We believe there were other people engaged in that primary and other elections that basically involved the same type of scheme," U.S. Attorney H.E. "Bud" Cummins said. "We have ongoing investigations and continue to receive additional reports daily."
During the investigation, Mr. Gray was accused of "pointing a gun at someone he believed to be a witness and threatening him, and we arrested him pretty quickly," Mr. Cummins said.
Charges of election fraud and abuses are widespread in the state this year, where incumbent Republican Sen. Tim Hutchinson is even with Democratic challenger and Attorney General Mark Pryor, according to polls.
Republicans say Democrats are trying to steal the Senate election by registering dead people and businesses as voters, illegally allowing early voting on weekends and not requiring identification to vote.
The Democratic Party of Arkansas concedes that earlier this year a former staffer hired two teenagers to register voters, but said they instead copied names from the phone book.
"We've got copies of 600 absentee-ballot applications and I can tell you there are a lot of questionable ones — either everyone in Phillips County writes exactly alike or we have problems," said Marty Ryall, Republican Party chairman. Phillips County, once one of the wealthiest counties in the Mississippi River Delta, has fallen on hard times in recent decades.
Democrats complained Monday when Republican poll-watchers challenged county clerks to require that voters provide identification before receiving an early voting ballot and said they were harassing black voters.
Republicans also challenged a voter who showed a Michigan driver's license.
"This underscores our point of why we have poll-watchers — to make sure clerks are complying with the law and requesting identification," Mr. Ryall said.
Mr. Cummins said his office is getting reports that activities similar to Mr. Gray's are ongoing during the early voting period.
"Enforcing the laws that guarantee voting rights and punish voting fraud is the duty of the Department of Justice. More than mere law enforcement, our responsibility to protect the access to and integrity of elections is the responsibility of upholding freedom itself," Mr. Cummins said.

13 posted on 11/05/2002 11:18:01 AM PST by Truth Telling Guy
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To: GOPJ
Paper trail, yes. Also, restrictions of pre-resgistration to vote, not walk-ins filling out paper ballots that can be repeated from precinct to precinct.
25 posted on 11/05/2002 2:10:41 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: GOPJ
I want a machine that can be double checked. I want a paper trail.

Actually, a properly-designed electronic voting system would allow for double-checking by using media which, once written, could not be altered without such alteration being detectable. This would add a little bit to the cost of elections, since some of the chips would have to go into permanent storage after each election, but it should still be cheaper than paper ballots.

32 posted on 11/05/2002 4:57:44 PM PST by supercat
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