Posted on 11/05/2002 7:34:37 AM PST by H8DEMS
Did those two cards sound stock as well?
Hear, hear!
And I agree with you on the ease of use of a regular carb engine. I could work reasonably well on my old '81 Mustang. But my '89 and '95 I usually have to take it to my mechanic with the computer equip with a lot of the problems. I'm having to deal with a new chip now. Can't get one to match right with the new system. We've gone through two different companies and have yet to find one that fits the exact setup of the new engine
Ah, I guess mr. rice-boy didn't have the right stickers on his car. You know those stickers can add an extra 40-70 horsepower. At least that's what the boys over Super Street (home of the 4 cyl wanna bes) seem to think
In California, governor Gray Davis changed the law at the bequest of SEMA's lawyers and lobbyists.
Did you see that? He was lobbied and the law was changed legally. Unlike some of you thugs that have posted on this thread threatening the lives of their neighbors just because you don't like a certain noise
Only at idle. Just like my current project car, they go from a low rumpety-rumpety to full throughted roar when you mash down hard on the go peddle. At part throttle on the highway, they were both still quiter than your average semi or un-corked Harley.
Governor Davis didn't change the law - he doesn't have the authority. Thats the job of the legislature.
Look under history. Can you believe it? Oh, the horrors < /sarcasm>
Existing law requires the Commissioner of the California Highway Patrol to adopt regulations providing that exhaust systems comply with statutory noise restrictions if they are installed on motor vehicles, other than motorcycles and new motor vehicles, with a gross vehicular weight of less than 6,000 pounds and emit no more than 95 dbA.
Hmmmm, I don't see 86 dbA anywhere on that bill. Maybe you have a special version the rest of us don't?
I don't see 86 dbA anywhere on that bill. Maybe you have a special version the rest of us don't?
Read further down. In Section 27150.2 (as amended), you'll see:
... no more than 95 dbA when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998"
That's the "20 inches" I was talking about. SB 1420 doesn't nullify the "50 feet from the centerline" limits I quoted from Sections 27200 thru 27207 of the California Vehicle Code - those still stand.
If you (and Quietamerican for that matter) had a better understanding of the law, you'd both realize SB1420 isn't giving in to pro-noise pressure groups - it strengthens current law by providing specifications for noise testing at California inspection stations. For too long, California has endured a situation where, as CHP 98-100 so aptly states, "Accurately determining compliance with Sections 27201-27206 VC for enforcement purposes is generally impractical." SB1420 addresses that problem.
And, by the way, 95dbA at 20 inches equates to approximately 80 dbA at 50 feet. So there!
From their website
Washington, D.C. (August 7, 2001) -California Governor Gray Davis signed into law SEMA-sponsored legislation to compel law enforcement officials to tie exhaust system noise citations to a 95-decibel limit under SAE test procedure J1169. The bill was initiated to help motorists who drive vehicles legally equipped with modified exhaust systems from being erroneously cited for exceeding noise limits.
The law also makes clear that aftermarket modified exhaust systems are legal if they comply with the standard.
SEMA initially fought for a process requiring law enforcement authorities to ";objectively demonstrate"; (i.e., perform a test) that a modified motor vehicle exhaust system did not comply with the noise level test standard before issuing a citation.
However, California's budget crunch brought on by the energy crisis precluded consideration of the original bill.
The law still allows officers to issue citations based on a subjective determination that the exhaust system exceeds the 95-decibel limit. This provision remains a bone of contention, and SEMA is working with the California Highway Patrol and others on solutions.
Under the new law, a court may dismiss a citation if it is shown that the exhaust system complies with the 95-decibel limit, and the owner had reasonable grounds to believe that the system was in good working order.
SEMA Director of Government Affairs Steve McDonald said, "This bill is an essential first step. It helps protect those motorists who drive vehicles legally equipped with modified exhaust systems from being erroneously cited for exceeding noise limits.
"Many of these citations are being written when there is no violation of the code and without regard to the practical intent of the law. The enforcement policy currently used by police officers considers nearly all exhaust system modifications to be in violation, even where the noise levels are not excessive or unusual. This policy leaves exhaust system manufacturers, dealers and their customers without recourse."
Aftermarket exhaust systems are preferred by motorists who modify their vehicles for durability, appearance and performance. If the exhaust has a more efficient exit route, more power can be attained without increasing pollution.
This is especially critical for maneuvers such as passing, going uphill or merging onto a highway for vehicles with slow acceleration. Many aftermarket mufflers are made from stainless steel for improved durability and offer a show car quality to a vehicle's appearance.
SEMA represents the $24.86 billion specialty automotive industry. The trade association is composed of more than 4,600 member companies, and is the authoritative source of research data, trends and market growth information for automakers and the specialty auto products industry. The industry provides appearance, performance, safety, comfort, convenience and technology products for passenger cars, minivans, pickups, SUVs and recreational vehicles. It's a specialty market as old as the automobile and as new as cutting-edge technology. For more information, please contact SEMA at 1575 S. Valley Vista Dr., Diamond Bar, CA 91765; call 909/396-0289; or visit www.sema.org or www.enjoythedrive.com.
Sorry but the new bill sets the limits at 95 db for testing levels. Secondly did you notice that this is a 25 billion dollar business? Wonder how they can make 25 billion dollars if no one except a scant few are buying?
Well I don't know about Quietamerican's understanding of the law, he seems like a nice enough person, but my understanding and the reason for the law was to get the enviromentalists and pantywaists off the backs of decent Californians who like to modify their cars for whatever reason. If there's no standard, cops judges like the ones that sit on the 9th Circuit that have no understanding of the word 'freedom' could railroad a decent taxpayer straight under the jail. Now that there are standards, these wackos can't attack decent people for additions to their own vehicles
And this mean what, exactly? Did I say anything about SEMA?
If you think SB1420 means there'll be fewer tickets for noise, then you haven't thought this though far enough. The inspection standards specified in SB1420 directly address the excuse police have been using for years, which is that enforcement isn't practical given the law as written. With SB1420, police can now cite violators without having to worry about showing up in court over it. Whether a vehicle is in violation can now be determined by a certified inspector, rather than the courts.
Demand for enforcement isn't going away, my friend. You're going to see more noise tickets now, not less, because SB1420 makes them easier to issue. And those in deliberate violation of CVC 27150 are now more vulnerable than ever. This is something the anti-noise faction can really run with. If that makes SEMA happy, fine by me. I couldn't care less what SEMA's position is, as long as the legal system has what it needs to enforce the law instead of ignoring violations.
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