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Europe on the brink of collapse
Scotland Sunday ^ | 10/27/02

Posted on 11/04/2002 3:40:00 PM PST by wideawake

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To: wideawake
it wasn't inflation, it was deficit. Germany, Iyaly and Portugal are over it already. France and spain close to it.
61 posted on 11/04/2002 6:30:54 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: SamAdams76
The latter. Basically, the euro boosters' thesis was that the three noneuro countries would begin to lag the euro 12 significantly - but they haven't.

And I believe the metric is growth, not size - i.e. the EU 15 has grown, say, 1.5% per year, while the euro 12 has grown 1.3%. You see that when we're discussing growth rate, it's possible for the Euro 12 to outperform the EU 15 if the three noneuro countries have lower or negative net growth.

62 posted on 11/04/2002 6:32:20 PM PST by wideawake
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To: americanbychoice
Right you are.
63 posted on 11/04/2002 6:33:14 PM PST by wideawake
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To: aculeus
you are correct on most of your statements. They don't have Government paid Health insurance. There is no such thing as a free ride (Hillary). The premiums are 19.5% of pay and the system is broke. :)
64 posted on 11/04/2002 6:33:51 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: Number_Cruncher
You can hasten that by pulling our troops out of Europe. Better yet, get out of NATO and form an alliance with Russia and China. That would force the Euro weenies to start paying for their own defense. It would make it come true much sooner. why should we continue paying for their defense anyway, They don't appreciate us or anything we do for them.
65 posted on 11/04/2002 6:37:06 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
I disagree, we are a different breed with a different kind of government.while the europeans always seem to look for someone to overtake and lead them, we would not let that happen.
66 posted on 11/04/2002 6:40:10 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: A. Pole
the population has been decreasing in europe for years. They can't pay off on their promises unless they bring in more Muslims, the only ones who still multiply. Even Russia is experiencing a decline from 130 million to 80 million over the next 30 years. The Euros have become too lazy to breed. to lazy to breed.
67 posted on 11/04/2002 6:45:44 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: aculeus
The Felon and his evil troop loved German socialism and worshipped at the feet of Tony Blair. Klintoon wanted the US to go socialist asap and so did Her Heinous. Those two traitors are out of national power but the Dasholes and Gebfarts are still there with all the RAT leaders in the House and Senate squeeking away for socialism. They must be voted out completely and the sooner the better!
68 posted on 11/04/2002 6:59:00 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: greasyHeart
Are you implying that my ancestors, the Plantagenet kings, had a little blood on their hands? HUH! (they had a lot on their hands! Should I be embarrassed? Errr...Yes!).

The Brit history series is super, however. Did you note the less-than-humane way that King Henry's guys eliminated Becket? Ouch! If you go to Canterbury cathedral, they show you the exact spot where the bloody deed was done.

69 posted on 11/04/2002 7:05:42 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Paulus Invictus
If you go to the Piazza del Vecchio (I think?) in Florence, there is a plaque to mark the exact spot where Savonarola was burned.

In St. Peter's in Rome there is seal on the floor to mark the spot where Charlemagne was crowned emperor on Christmas Day, 800.

70 posted on 11/05/2002 5:01:31 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
There's quite a bit of talk about how culturally deprived we Americans are.

Yeah. Most of it comes from Eurotrash types and their American toadies who think Chris Ofili is a genius for his Blessed Virgin Mary and we Americans who dared call it garbage are cultural illiterates. If being culturally rich is being swamped with "art" smeared with elephant sh!t, call me a barbarian.
71 posted on 11/05/2002 5:14:57 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus; Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Thank you.

VBWC, methinks you've too flippantly accused Americans of being uncultured compared to their European brethren.

I think as high a proportion of Europeans' lives revolve around local football and cheap beer as Americans' revolve around cheap beer and the NFL.

I think the attenuated disco, imported rap and light pop which forms the soundtrack of most young Europeans' lives is just as inane and empty as the original rap and light pop which American teens listen to.

I think that all culture, in the final analysis, derives from the religious life of a people, and Americans have a more vigorous religious life than Europeans do. More Catholics attend Mass on Sunday in New Jersey than they do in France.

An anecdote: one of my favorite poets is Hoelderlin. A few years ago I took a train from Freiburg-in-Breisgau to Tuebingen, the university town where Hoelderlin was born and where he spent the last years of his life in a tower overlooking the Neckar. I sat there on the train, dressed in jacket and tie, quietly reading selections of the poet's works in German. At one stop an Englishman sat down in the seat across from me. He was wearing a Nike tracksuit and was, yes, eating some McDonald's cheeseburgers from a paper sack. He had clearly been drinking. The conductor told him to put the food away, and when he was slow to cooperate a tipsy German (it was about 10 a.m.) dressed in full Bayern Muenchen soccer kit made some comments - they began arguing over soccer since they were apparently both on their way to Munich to watch the match.

There I was, a sober properly dressed American trying to enjoy the work of a German Romantic poet, while two drunken mannerless Eurolouts were arguing over a sports club.

Whenever I hear a European describe Americans as cultureless, that scene replays in my head and I laugh to myself.

72 posted on 11/05/2002 5:42:33 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Lurking2Long
Good news for America...

America is headed down the same path. We are only doing it more slowely since we don't have a parliamentary system where the majority controls everything. The only good news in this for America is that Europe's fall due to socialism will occur before ours and might wake up some over here who still believe in their utopian dreams.

73 posted on 11/05/2002 5:53:37 AM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I think there is a fundamental difference in the psychology of Europeans and Americans which precludes their recognizing the causes and depth of their errors, much less correcting them.

In Europe, they still conceive of legitimate authority as descending from the government (top), to the bureaucracy (middle), and finally down to the people (bottom), basically welfare state serfdom, but serfdom nonetheless. The average European has to deal daily with insolent and abusive bureaucrats who make ours look like saints.

The reason ? After living in Europe for three years I concluded that they fundamentally view the people as servants of the government. In older times, before the death of any real European faith in a higher power, authority would have originated with G*d. Now, the apex of the pyramid is made up of petty bureaucrats and insanely corrupt politicians.

America is in no way perfect, but our conception of the proper social order is the opposite. To us, legitimate power descends from G*d to the people and then to a government made up of what we still like to think of as "public servants". In other words, in Europe power flows from north to south. Here we believe power should flow from south to north.

This is one reason the Europeans have never and probably will never really understand us nor be able to fully emulate our success. It would require of them a complete and genuine revolution in thought of which they are probably not capable, and which they would mightily fear.

74 posted on 11/05/2002 6:40:16 AM PST by katana
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To: wideawake
I think this is part of the economic requirements they must meet before joining the Arab League.
75 posted on 11/05/2002 7:30:38 AM PST by malakhi
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To: angelo
ROTFLMAO!!!
76 posted on 11/05/2002 7:35:45 AM PST by wideawake
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