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To: BikerNYC
I haven't read that book. I think "I" is a useful word, but I just don't think it is the thing that does the thinking. Consciousness is, but by the time we start thinking about what is doing the thinking, we have let consciousness slip through our fingers and are only aware of the objects of consciousness, those things that consciousness is thinking about.

At least for Descartes, the quest for certitude requires initially dismissing the entire order of sense and bodily experience, even my experience of myself as a body. The putting into question of the entire physical order allows the pristine intelligibility of the order of mind to come to the fore. We know ourselves better than other things and we know out intellect better than our body. The intellectual self is known immediately and transparently. Following Aristotle, and in contrast to Descartes, Aquinas urges a methodological retreat in our pursuit of self-knowledge. There is no possibility of gaining immediate, introspective access to the intellect or the soul. The route to self-knowledge is indirect, oblique. To understand the essence of any species, we must begin with the objects naturally pursued by members of the species in question, then move back from these to examine the activities, powers, and, finally, the essence. The indirect route to self-knowledge follows from the fact that the intellect is a potency made actual only by knowing things. But a power is knowable in so far as it is in act. Thus, there is no possibility of knowing the intellect until it has been actualized by knowing something other than itself.

The indirect and mediated path to knowledge of the human soul does not diminish the importance of that knowledge. Indeed, the general investigation of soul culminates with an analysis of what is proper to human souls. Thus we find Aquinas explicating in great detail Aristotle's comparison of sensation and understanding and his argument that intellect so differs from sense that it must be an immaterial power, whose operation transcends every bodily organ. Like sense, the intellect is said to be passive with respect to sensible objects. It is a potency actualized by receiving the forms of things. But there are different sense of passivity and clarification of them is crucial to a comparison of sense and intellect. Aquinas writes:

To be passive may be taken in three ways. First, in its most strict sense, when from a thing is taken something which belongs to it by virtue either of its nature, or of its proper inclination, as when ...a man becomes ill. Secondly, less strictly, a thing is said to be passive when something either suitable or unsuitable is taken away from it. And in this way not only he who is ill is said to be passive, but also he who is healed.... Thirdly, in a wide sense a thing is said to be passive, from the very fact that what is in potency to something receives that to which it was in potency without being deprived of anything. And accordingly whatever passes from potency to act may be said to be passive, even when it is perfected. And thus with us to understand is to be passive (ST, I, 79, 2).

27 posted on 11/04/2002 9:06:19 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
The Cartesian credo of the current rationalist/materialist religion is "I think, therefore I am."

But how can one demonstrate the fact that one thinks?

They cannot. It is impossible to "prove" that one exists, because it is impossible to "prove" that one thinks. We directly experience our own existence -- but it is impossible to demonstrate that existence scientifically. We all take our own existence on faith.

Therefore, even rationalism is based on unprovable faith.

B-chan

33 posted on 11/04/2002 9:12:24 AM PST by B-Chan
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To: Aquinasfan
"Consciousness is a being whose existence posits its essence, and inversely it is consciousness of a being, whose essence implies its existence; that is, in which appearance lays claim to being. Being is everywhere...We must understand that this being is no other than the transphenomenal being of phenomena and not a noumenal being which is hidden behind them...It requires simply that the being of that which appears does not exist only in so far as it appears. The transphenomenal being of what exists for consciousness is itself in itself.... Consciousness is the revealed-revelation of existents, and existents appear before consciousness on the foundation of their being...Consciousness can always pass beyond the existent, not toward its being, but toward the meaning of this being. A fundamental characteristic of its transcendence is to transcend the ontic toward the ontological. The meaning of the being of the existent in so far as it reveals itself to consciousness is the phenomenon of being...This elucidation of the meaning of being is valid only for the being of the phenomenon....For being is the being of becoming and due to this fact it is beyond becoming. It is what it is. This means that by itself it can not even be what it is not...It is full positivity. It knows no otherness; it never posits itself as other-than-another-being. It can support no connection with the other. It is itself indefinitely and it exhausts itself in being...Consciousness absolutely can not derive from anything, either from another being, or from a possibility, or from a necessary law. Uncreated, without reason for being, without any connection with another being, being-in-itself is de trop for eternity." (Being and Nothingness, 1943)
44 posted on 11/04/2002 9:44:56 AM PST by BikerNYC
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