Controversy Over Alleged Islamic Ties to Oklahoma City Bombing Continues (Jayna strikes back!)

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Letters to the Editor for November 4, 2002

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Controversy Over Alleged Islamic Ties to Oklahoma City Bombing Continues (Jayna Davis strikes back!)

(Editor's Note: The following is a response by journalist Jayna Davis to certain assertions by Cate McCauley, an investigator appointed by the U.S. District Court to assist with the appeal of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, which were published in the October 30 article 'McVeigh Defense Investigator questions Senator's Probe.')

"Twenty-two witness affidavits supported by 25-hundred pages of corroborative evidence is hardly a 'very small package of information,' (about the Oklahoma City bombing). McCauley is wholly unqualified to criticize the complexities of the investigative dossier because she has never reviewed it.

I interviewed nearly 80 potential witnesses, but I deemed only two-dozen to be credible because the veracity of their testimonies could be independently corroborated and their stories did not conflict with the government's timeline of the movements of the Oklahoma City bombers. All confidently identified eight specific Middle Eastern men, the majority of whom are former Iraqi soldiers, collaborating with McVeigh and Nichols during various stages of the bombing plot. They have signed sworn affidavits confirming their testimonies.

After a thorough vetting process, this investigation has earned the ringing endorsement of the lead impeachment prosecutor David Schippers, former Deputy Director of the State Department's Office of Counter Terrorism Larry Johnson, former Director of the CIA James Woolsey, former Chief of Human Intelligence for the Defense Intelligence Agency Colonel Patrick Lang, the Director of Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare Yossef Bodansky, and the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, including senior editorial writer Micah Morrison.

Former CIA analyst and Deputy Director of Counter Terrorism for the Department of State, Larry Johnson, has determined that 'without a doubt, there is a definite Middle Eastern tie to the Oklahoma City bombing.' As a Fox News consultant, he has expressed publicly his concern that the Islamic terrorist network, which assisted McVeigh and Nichols, is still operational and poses a threat to national security.

In addition to comprehensive coverage published by the Indianapolis Star and the LA Weekly, I have been invited as a guest to discuss this investigation with Lou Dobb's of CNN, Fox News (Bill O'Reilly, John Gibson, Greta Van Susteren, and John Scott). The credibility of my work has also been recognized by nationally syndicated radio show host Glenn Beck as well as numerous talk radio programs in several major markets (New York, San Fransico, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Miami, Nashville, and Richmond.)

(Regarding the civil suit brought against Davis over certain information concerning her investigation,) The court ruling in that lawsuit established I acted responsibly. When I resigned my position at KFOR, I was legally responsible to protect the recorded statements of the confidential witnesses. (Oklahoma State District Court) Judge (Brian) Dixon upheld my journalistic First Amendment pledge to the confidential witnesses to keep their statements sealed until such time that 'law enforcement officials launched a legitimate investigation into the identity of those involved in the April 19, 1995 bombing of the Murrah Building.'"

Jayna Davis Yukon, OK

[yukong]

Well, simply put, dead, closed mouths cannot tell tales. As long as he was alive, McVeigh was in a position, (were he to have decided to spill his guts,) to name names, and places, and times, and money, etc.

Dead men tell no tales.

[honway]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/775699/posts

U.S. Postal Employee Testifies for Grand Jury - TV Reporter Disavows Conspiracy

Through her attorney, Tim McCoy, former KFOR reporter Davis disavowed some of the bombing conspiracy theories that have been reported.

"She also wants to make it perfectly clear that after her two-year exhaustive investigation, she has turned up no credible evidence that supports the theory that the federal government had sufficient prior warnings to prevent the bombing," McCoy said.

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Daily Oklahoman

Judge Refuses To Bar Subpoena Of Ex-Reporter

Ed Godfrey 09/12/1997

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A judge on Thursday refused to quash a subpoena requiring former KFOR-TV reporter Jayna Davis to testify before the Oklahoma County grand jury investigating the Murrah bombing.

In June 1995, Davis aired a report linking an Iraqi then living in Oklahoma City with the bombing. Al-Hussaini Hussain sued KFOR in Oklahoma County District Court, saying the station fingered him as John Doe 2.

Hussain was not named, but attorneys claimed he was identified through "innuendo." Hussain dropped the lawsuit in April.

Davis was subpoenaed to testify today . On Thursday, her attorney, A. Daniel Woska, asked Oklahoma County District Judge Bill Burkett to prevent her from appearing, based on "newsman's privilege" under state law.

[honway]

Daily Oklahoman

Lawmaker Plans 85 to 90 More Witnesses for Grand Jury - Television Reporter Refuses to Name Sources in Bombing - Investigation

Diana Baldwin, Judy Kuhlman
01/27/1998

State Rep. Charles Key said Monday he has the names of between 85 to 90 more people he wants to testify before the Oklahoma County grand jury investigating a larger conspiracy in the Oklahoma City bombing.

Key, R-Oklahoma City, and his Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee made public 24 names, the first of a three-part list he plans to turn over to the grand jury.

The grand jury has heard from 65 witnesses since the panel convened June 30.

Key presented the grand jury with the names of 39 potential witnesses when he testified July 15. So far, the grand jury has heard from all but nine of those.

On Monday, former KFOR television reporter Jayna Davis and district attorney's investigator Larry Dellinger made return appearances before the grand jury, which is scheduled to hear witnesses throughout the week. They resume work at 9 a.m. today.

Davis, testifying for the third time, said she has refused to name her sources.

She said she presented "hundreds of documents" to District Attorney Bob Macy that detailed her "two-year investigation into the bombing and the identity of" John Doe 2.

Davis said her sources are witnesses who said they saw and talked to John Doe 2.

She spent more than four hours with the jury Monday.

[Nancie Drew]

Honway,

You still seem to have a lot of concern about the Grand Jury’s proceedings and Jayna’s cooperation.

I will state again that when Jayna went before the Grand Jury in 1997, all the information on the prior warning was presented to them.

Also, let me address her witnesses and the Grand Jury. Let me start with a portion of a posting I did on another thread:

“An Internet search showed an interview that McCauley did for a Boston radio station called the connection. Twenty-eight minutes into the program she says the following, ‘Even after the inspector general’s report an FBI agent went before an Oklahoma County Grand Jury and continued to give wrong information.’ She would be referring to John Hersley because he was the agent dispatched to go before the Grand Jury.”


Jayna found a way to get the names to the Grand Jury without breaching confidentiality. The witnesses voluntarily gave their names to the DAs office and the Grand Jury along with a notarized statement outlining what they knew. Before those witnesses were called, John Hersley evidently gave false testimony about Jayna’s witnesses to the Grand Jury. I do not know whether Hersley did this knowingly or whether someone in the FBI misled him.


The World Net Daily article quotes Jayna:

“Davis said ‘at no time in the past seven years have my witnesses changed one word of their testimonies.’

In fact, she said, some witnesses claim the FBI falsified some of their statements.
‘I have in my possession several FBI interview statements formally known as '302s' that the witnesses contend contain falsified information that radically altered their positive identifications of Middle Eastern men in the commission of the terrorist strike on America's heartland’”


Hersley may have had those 302’s that Jayna is referring to and presented those to the Grand Jury or referred to them. The Grand Jury evidently chose to believe Hersley. Jayna did not know until years later what had happened to the Grand Jury. When she was getting ready to testify in a court of law about her efforts to get this information into the right hands, she was given legal access to Hersley’s testimony because it was about her.

[Nancie Drew]

See Reply #44

[Nancie Drew]

I want to add to reply #44 that after Hersley's testimony, none of Jayna's witnesses were called to appear before the Grand Jury and Jayna was not called back in.

[thinden]

John Hersley evidently gave false testimony about Jayna’s witnesses to the Grand Jury.

isn't giving false testimony to a grand jury a felony?

what is the statute of limitations on this?

[Fred Mertz]

Jayna did not know until years later what had happened to the Grand Jury. When she was getting ready to testify in a court of law about her efforts to get this information into the right hands, she was given legal access to Hersley’s testimony because it was about her.

The feds sure are tricksters aren't they? Thanks for the additional details Nancie Drew.

[honway]

http://www.oklahomacounty.org/GrandJuryReport2.htm

The Final Report of the Oklahoma City Bombing Grand Jury

[honway]

Jayna found a way to get the names to the Grand Jury without breaching confidentiality. The witnesses voluntarily gave their names to the DAs office and the Grand Jury along with a notarized statement outlining what they knew

From the Grand Jury:

Some of the other claims regarding John Doe II were:

The so-called Middle Eastern connection which, based on the evidence available, we believe simply did not exist.

[honway]

From the Grand Jury:

"However, we have not been presented with or uncovered information sufficient to indict any additional conspirators."

[honway]

"Davis, testifying for the third time, said she has refused to name her sources."

[honway]

Before those witnesses were called, John Hersley evidently gave false testimony about Jayna’s witnesses to the Grand Jury

Wasn't Hersley the last major witness before the Grand Jury?

[honway]

Any ideas on why the Oklahoma Grand Jury never asked to see the video described in the McVeigh Preliminary Hearing by Agent Hersley?
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Additional Video Surveillance Footage – McVeigh Preliminary Hearing 4-27-95

Testimony from FBI agent Jon Hersley, who states there’s video he’s seen from one of the Regency Towers cameras, date and time stamped. This is not the same camera that looks out the front door of the Regency Towers in which we see the Ryder truck come into view, pause and move on.

This camera takes “scans in front of the Tower building and also over towards the parking lot”, across the street from the Murrah Building.

The testimony discusses various witnesses who saw McVeigh, including one who states he saw a yellow Mercury speed off in the vicinity of the parking lot, then goes on to discuss a photo still taken from the video in which is seen a light colored car in that same vicinity.

McVeigh Preliminary Hearing, April 27 1995.

From the transcript:

Q. In your review of the surveillance photos, did you find any surveillance photos of that parking lot across the street from the Murrah Building?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay.

A. You characterized that as my review of the photographs. I was shown those particular photographs by Agent Lamar.

Q. Have you been shown a photograph of that particular parking lot, sir, across the street from the Murrah Building that includes the speeding Mercury in the photograph?

A. We don't know for sure yet. Those photographs are not real clear. They are taken from a pretty good distance away. There appears to be a light-colored car in the very vicinity where this witness testifies -- or provides the information was speeding away from. We are not able to determine yet if that is in fact the yellow Mercury.

Q. The pictures that you saw of that particular parking lot -- now I'm talking about the parking lot across the street from the Murrah Building --

A. Right.

Q. -- in a northerly direction, that parking lot, there is film of that parking lot prior to the time of the explosion?

A. Yes.

Q. Correct?

A. Yes.

Q. Is it time-stamped so that you can tell a particular time of day on the 19th of April that that camera is viewing, scanning that parking lot?

A. Yes.

Q. Can you tell me where that particular camera was located?

A. I believe that particular camera was located on the apartment building there that we have been speaking of.

Q. So those were some more pictures from the Regency?

A. Yes, those are the pictures from the Regency.

Q. So the camera from the Regency -- is this the camera at the very top of the Regency Tower?

A. I don't know the exact location of the camera, but it kind of scans that whole area there, is what has been represented to me. It scans in front of the Tower building and also over towards the parking lot.

[Nancie Drew]

I have no idea. See my reply #46. I just know that after he testified, none of Jayna's witnesses were called and Jayna was not called back.

[rubbertramp]

Remember the book by Frank Keating's brother, The Final Jihad, published before OKC bombing describing the incident accurately and crediting it to a Tim Mc---?

The title says it all. The wagthedoggers were pushing a Jihad even then. Guess, Great Britain's oil problems weren't dire enough at the time to play the Iraqi card.

[honway]

I just know that after he testified, none of Jayna's witnesses were called and Jayna was not called back

Hersley was the last witness called which of course is consistent with the above statement.

Daily Oklahoman

FBI Agent Gives More Testimony
Date: 12/09/1998
FBI agent Jon Hersley spent less than an hour Tuesday answering additional questions from the Oklahoma County grand jury investigating the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

[honway]

"Governor Frank Keating's brother, Martin Keating, wrote a manuscript in 1991, roughly four years before the OKC bombing. Gov. Frank Keating is a former FBI hot shot. His brother, Martin could not get this work published until after the bombing. This manuscript, now a published book, is titled The Final Jihad. In this book, Keating lays out a story of terrorists, based in OKC, who decide to bomb a federal building. Guess what the name of the one of the key "terrorists" in the book is? Tom McVey. And for the kicker of this fictional work: The terrorists in The Final Jihad are stopped by an Oklahoma highway patrolman for a broken tail light.

Now, let me see: We have a book in manuscript form written four years before the OKC bombing whose story line involves terrorists in Oklahoma City. This part of this fictional work comes true. "

[honway]

From Daily Oklahoman's Diana Baldwin, Judy Kuhlman

Davis, testifying for the third time, said she has refused to name her sources.

A reasonable person could conclude that Jayna Davis told Diana Baldwin and/or Judy Kuhlman that she refused to name her sources.

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From Nancie:

The witnesses voluntarily gave their names to the DAs office and the Grand Jury along with a notarized statement outlining what they knew

A reasonable person could conclude that Jayna Davis told Nancie Drew that she named her sources to the Grand Jury.

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Nancie, I have never questioned your integritity or your sincerity and I am not going to start now. Having said that, do you see a pattern emerging here relative to our past correspondence? I do.

[thinden]

any ideas why?

Digging around some of honway’s research it could be the heavy handed treatment of Grand Juror, Hoppy Heidelberg that may help us understand why other grand jurors may have been intimidated by prosecutor Macy and Judge Russell:

From a letter from Grand Juror Hoppy Heidelberg to Judge David L. Russell October 5, 1995

Judge David L. Russell 1210 Federal Court House 200 N.W. 4th Oklahoma City, OK 73102

Dear Judge Russell:

Pursuant to instructions from lead prosecutor, Joseph Hartzler, I write you this letter to express my concerns about the Oklahoma City bombing investigation. January is coming upon us fast and I am concerned that there will then be no one in authority with sufficient motivation to pursue the case. ……………

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5) All video SURVEILLANCE TAPES from cameras near the Murrah Building, including the one made by a Southwestern Bell camera which reportedly shows John Doe II getting out of the Ryder truck before McVeigh drove it to the Murrah Building………

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Excerpt of a December 14, 1995 interview of Hoppy Heidelberg, a Federal Grand Juror in the Oklahoma City case:

Hoppy: That's right and that's the whole point. For example, the various SURVEILLANCE VIDEOTAPES of the bombing, tapes from, say, Southwestern Bell and the Journal Record Building across the street, we don't know that they showed all the details of the bombing, including the perpetrators, but it's possible. None of this material was shown to us in the Grand Jury.

None of It?

Hoppy: Zero.

There Is the possibility that some of that tape showed the federal building collapsing. The shape of that collapse could make it clear that the truck bomb was not the real device that caused the major damage to the building. That instead, interior charges placed on the columns did the job, because that's very easy to see. It looks like a demolition. The building collapsing in on itself. We've all seen that a hundred times on television.

The amazing response to Hoppy Heidelberg from Judge David L. Russell

David L. Russell, Chief Judge United States District Court Western District of Oklahoma 200 N.W. 4th Street Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73102

October 24, 1995

Mr. Hoppy Heidelberg Buffalo Creek Road Route 6, Box 164 Blanchard, OK 73010

Re: U.S.A. v. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols: Case No. CR-95-110-A; and U.S.A. v. Michael Fortier, Case No. CR-95-111-R, United States District Court-Western District of Oklahoma

Dear Mr. Heidelberg:

Effective immediately, you are dismissed from the grand jury. Your obligation of secrecy continues. Any disclosure of matters that occurred before the grand jury constitutes a contempt of court. Each violation of the obligation of secrecy may be punished cumulatively.

Sincerely,

David L. Russell United States District Judge