Have you ever seen a better copy of this photo? It was posted as one of the few photos of the crater at the Murrah Building but this is the best copy I could find on the internet.
Posted on 11/04/2002 7:39:55 AM PST by TXnMA
Controversy Over Alleged Islamic Ties to Oklahoma City Bombing Continues (Jayna Davis strikes back!)
(Editor's Note: The following is a response by journalist Jayna Davis to certain assertions by Cate McCauley, an investigator appointed by the U.S. District Court to assist with the appeal of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, which were published in the October 30 article 'McVeigh Defense Investigator questions Senator's Probe.')
"Twenty-two witness affidavits supported by 25-hundred pages of corroborative evidence is hardly a 'very small package of information,' (about the Oklahoma City bombing). McCauley is wholly unqualified to criticize the complexities of the investigative dossier because she has never reviewed it.
I interviewed nearly 80 potential witnesses, but I deemed only two-dozen to be credible because the veracity of their testimonies could be independently corroborated and their stories did not conflict with the government's timeline of the movements of the Oklahoma City bombers. All confidently identified eight specific Middle Eastern men, the majority of whom are former Iraqi soldiers, collaborating with McVeigh and Nichols during various stages of the bombing plot. They have signed sworn affidavits confirming their testimonies.
After a thorough vetting process, this investigation has earned the ringing endorsement of the lead impeachment prosecutor David Schippers, former Deputy Director of the State Department's Office of Counter Terrorism Larry Johnson, former Director of the CIA James Woolsey, former Chief of Human Intelligence for the Defense Intelligence Agency Colonel Patrick Lang, the Director of Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare Yossef Bodansky, and the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, including senior editorial writer Micah Morrison.
Former CIA analyst and Deputy Director of Counter Terrorism for the Department of State, Larry Johnson, has determined that 'without a doubt, there is a definite Middle Eastern tie to the Oklahoma City bombing.' As a Fox News consultant, he has expressed publicly his concern that the Islamic terrorist network, which assisted McVeigh and Nichols, is still operational and poses a threat to national security.
In addition to comprehensive coverage published by the Indianapolis Star and the LA Weekly, I have been invited as a guest to discuss this investigation with Lou Dobb's of CNN, Fox News (Bill O'Reilly, John Gibson, Greta Van Susteren, and John Scott). The credibility of my work has also been recognized by nationally syndicated radio show host Glenn Beck as well as numerous talk radio programs in several major markets (New York, San Fransico, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Miami, Nashville, and Richmond.)
(Regarding the civil suit brought against Davis over certain information concerning her investigation,) The court ruling in that lawsuit established I acted responsibly. When I resigned my position at KFOR, I was legally responsible to protect the recorded statements of the confidential witnesses. (Oklahoma State District Court) Judge (Brian) Dixon upheld my journalistic First Amendment pledge to the confidential witnesses to keep their statements sealed until such time that 'law enforcement officials launched a legitimate investigation into the identity of those involved in the April 19, 1995 bombing of the Murrah Building.'"
Jayna Davis Yukon, OK
This is a photo of the "Pit" -- an area just to the west of the "Bite" where the upper floors did not collapse, but was surrounded by huge piles of debris in areas that *did* collapse. It is only a depression relative to the surrounding mounds of debris. The ground floor slab is just below the bottom of the column at right center.
...that's what I get for trying to write HTML while struggling to follow these fast-moving threads... :-(
TXnMA, I am going to answer you email as soon as I get a chance to really digest your questions and formulate as good answers as I can. And by the way, my Sooners had a bad go of it there in your old home state this past Saturday.
I completly agree, yukonG. I own & use most of th lenses Nikon has made, and I'd estimate the F/L at 90 - 110 mm (based on a 24X36mm (35mm film) image).
Thanks TXnMA for the great photo. Pretty much how I remember it, other than for the water in it. When I was there, there was no water in the hole.
Uhhh, can we make that, "your former state of residence"? '-}
To a native Texan, Texas is always and forever, "home"!
TXnMA (No Longer -- thank Heaven!!!)
Pretty close to my measurements, except I'd go for the lower end on the length.
BTW, I have an e-mail from a colleague (an expert on ANNM binary explosives) who bills himself as "the Blaster's Friend". He says the crater should approximate the size and shape of the truck bed. So I would expect an oblong crater...
OTOH, neither you nor I saw a "32-foot diameter" crater -- especially in the N-S direction, which, from a building damage standpoint, is the dimension that matters most...
BTW, my estimate for the N-S dimension was 16-18 feet.
The following caption goes with the photo in #158 from the above link.
I apologize to all for the mistake in suggesting it was the Murrah Building.I found the photo at a site suggesting it was the Murrah Building, incorrectly.
WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING
On February 26, 1993, an explosion occurred in the World Trade Center. The explosion caused six deaths, 1042 injuries, and nearly $600 million in property damage. Two ATF National Response Teams (NRT) responded to assist the NNew York City Police Department and the FBI in the investigation. Also assisting in the investigation were the U.S. Secret Service, the U.S. Customs Service, the U.S. Department of State, the U.S. Department of Defense, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, and the New York and New Jersey State Police. An IRT member working with a New York City Police Department Bomb Squad investigator uncovered the key piece of evidence. Uncovered was a vehicle identification number from a van that had been rented but reported stolen the day prior to the explosion. Their recovery ultimately led to the identification and indictment of seven co-conspirators, four of whom have been prosecuted. The evidence linked the defendants to the purchase of chemicals and hydrogen tanks used to manufacture the bomb, to the rental of the shed to warehouse the chemicals and later the bomb, and the rental of the van that contained the bomb. 1993 Explosives Incident Report, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Fireams
Note that I specifically refute the persistent myth that there were "bombs in the basement".
Also note that I said Ben Partin's analysis is "compelling" -- not that I found unequivocal evidence to support all his conclusions!
What most folks (willfully, IMHO) overlook is that I have never written that I found evidence proving that there were bombs (either exploded or unexploded) inside the Murrah Building. (Honway, howzat grab you?!)
But please note that I do not consider the (open and readily accessible) area outside the (lockable) building but under the open porch/portico to be "inside" the building...
...Offline to compose a further reply...
TXnMA (No Longer!!!)
honway, To quote our honorable fellow FReeper, yukonG,
"Don't beat yourself up too bad. It had me going for a minute too."
At least you didn't post a comment explaining where it was located in the MFB!
:-} < wry grin of chagrin >
Have you ever seen a better copy of this photo? It was posted as one of the few photos of the crater at the Murrah Building but this is the best copy I could find on the internet.
You mean like this one I was getting ready to post?
...something like, "Ask and ye shall receive..." '-)
TXnMA (No Longer!!!)
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