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Although politicians have created the illusion that SOCIAL welfare was the MAJOR cause of the deficit, it has in reality been CORPORATE welfare that's been the MAJOR cause of our debt.

You're both wrong, of course - but it's hard to stop a good socialist rant when it starts....

You're both wrong, of course - but it's hard to stop a good socialist rant when it starts....

Do you have any facts to present or simply innuendos?

[You're both wrong, of course - but it's hard to stop a good socialist rant when it starts.... ]

The name calling again. First I probably need a definition of what you call socialism.

But what do you find to disgree with ont he subject of corporate welfare. Do you not believe the outrageous farm bill, the importation of millions of illegals (who costs the country as a whole, rather than contributes), the trade bills negotiated with corporations in mind rather than America and its people, the loaning of monies to build factories in foreign countries, use of taxpayers dollars to pay unemployment and reeducation for displaced American workers, etc. is responsible for much of our problems.

Now I am a capitalist, I think. There again, I may not know the intellectual definition of it. I have always considered it to be the freedom to do business and make a profit, if you have a product people want or need and the ability to run a company. I would assume that should entail the government not interferring, unless there is a breaking of the law that harms this country or its people. What is that, educate me.

NOw if we assume that, we must also assume it means the government does not make laws that gives taxpayers money to those corporations, or make treaties that benefit those corporations (to the detriment of the people or the country), or demand that taxpayers subsidize their workers so they can make a profit, or import skilled workers to undercut the wages and create unemployment for its own citizens. Now what is that - it certainly doesn't fit my idea of capitalism - educate me.

Actually social welfare quite often goes hand in hand with corporate welfare. Take the low cost housing, low cost government loans, food stamps, WIC. These are all social programs loved by the construction industry, agribusiness, the grocery industry, etc. The government needs to get out of business altogether. You don't have to be a socialist to not want to have your wages taken to underwrite the profits of corporations. What do you call someone who advocates using taxpayer dollars to do this?

Actually, calling it coporate welfare is nicer than what I really believe it to be. But if you can't find a way to debate or refute the statement - then name-call away - it works for some - not me. I see it for what it is - an absence of ideas, facts, or common sense.