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To: tpaine
Thinking that it matters if 'WE' have "won the Senate" is part of the problem that Noumenon argues. What possible difference will 'winning' make to restoring respect for our constitution?

I think that leftist Judicial Activism has probably been as destructive to Constitutional principles as our leftist legislatures and Presidents have been. The turning points for the Judicial Branch are few and far between. We could have the best series of roll backs in leftist legislation all go for naught, if leftist Judicial Activism mandates all sorts of programs, correctives and similar claptrap like they have done the last five decades since Eisenhower put Warren on the Court.

I thought I was hearing a call for forthright espousal of a return to Constitutional principle and value, and not just a lament and love-song to the barricades. What can be more in the way of a long-term turn around of that branch than nominations being confirmed now rather than taking our luck in 2004?

-- In effect, you're saying that we shouldn't talk about our crazy old senators, till after the election.

Hardly. Read it again. The "this" I refer to is the passage I quote. I'm saying that for too many months the immediacy of transitory electoral issues have sanitized the forum from paying attention to real conservative principles. Why else have you and I occasionally been on the same side?

My real reservation from Noumenon's post is its reliance on libertarian rhetorical terms...too much Philosophy and Reason...kind of the thing that always makes it difficult for you to find common ground with me even if we start to agree...fear that the terms (Justice, Duty, Enduring Moral Order, Presriptive Convention -- you know all those plain conservative terms) will somehow make me ask for more than simple, Constitutional, principles.

I'll certainly settle for the compromise that our two flavors of the American Spirit had in 1789 and I know that you will settle for nothing less.

39 posted on 11/01/2002 5:49:20 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: KC Burke
Thinking that it matters if 'WE' have "won the Senate" is part of the problem that Noumenon argues. What possible difference will 'winning' make to restoring respect for our constitution?

I think that leftist Judicial Activism has probably been as destructive to Constitutional principles as our leftist legislatures and Presidents have been. The turning points for the Judicial Branch are few and far between. We could have the best series of roll backs in leftist legislation all go for naught, if leftist Judicial Activism mandates all sorts of programs, correctives and similar claptrap like they have done the last five decades since Eisenhower put Warren on the Court.

Both factions on the USSC have been consistently supporting big government socialistic programs since FDR. Imagining that some new republican appointments will 'roll back' anything is a futile dream.

I thought I was hearing a call for forthright espousal of a return to Constitutional principle and value, and not just a lament and love-song to the barricades. What can be more in the way of a long-term turn around of that branch than nominations being confirmed now rather than taking our luck in 2004?

I suggest you read Noumenons 'lament' again. He calls for a new constitutional dialog, one where we 'conservatives' can all develop common ground on principles.

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-- In effect, you're saying that we shouldn't talk about our crazy old senators, till after the election.

Hardly. Read it again. The "this" I refer to is the passage I quote. I'm saying that for too many months the immediacy of transitory electoral issues have sanitized the forum from paying attention to real conservative principles. Why else have you and I occasionally been on the same side? My real reservation from Noumenon's post is its reliance on libertarian rhetorical terms...too much Philosophy and Reason...kind of the thing that always makes it difficult for you to find common ground with me even if we start to agree.

Sorry, your rhetoric lost me again. I can't find 'common ground' on such vague generalities.

..fear that the terms (Justice, Duty, Enduring Moral Order, Presriptive Convention -- you know all those plain conservative terms) will somehow make me ask for more than simple, Constitutional, principles. I'll certainly settle for the compromise that our two flavors of the American Spirit had in 1789 and I know that you will settle for nothing less.

Ah, mmm, sure, - I guess.

41 posted on 11/01/2002 6:24:57 PM PST by tpaine
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