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To: KC Burke
Thanks KC for flagging this from Noumenon. This is the first statement that caught my attention. The Americans are disgusted with unreason and statism. My comment may be less important than what the article argues in general, but I would revise P.'s statement in this way: Americans are in love with pragmatism. And some of that love includes a love for unreason.

In a recent post I quoted Allan Bloom from The Closing of the American Mind His comment was about democracy's particular weakness. It's weakness is disgust for the theoretical life. It's true. Americans are very allergic to examining their motivations. They "reason" like this: if it works, go for it. They are pragmatists, through and through. And that is why "statism" is in the way. But, you know, statism works for them too, when the going is good. But we should recognize that whatever P. wants to say about our disgust, the reason of unreason has a special place in the pragmatist's heart.

19 posted on 11/01/2002 11:51:43 AM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis; KC Burke
Is there a difference between embracing expediency and embracing pragmatism? Are they different? Did we used to embrace, at least partly, the former? If so, when did it transition to the latter (and why)?
21 posted on 11/01/2002 12:14:15 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: cornelis; Noumenon
I guess that I have been saying, ever since I started posting on this board, that neither extreme, Theoretical Ideology or Pragmatism is the right path for general conservatism. The simple reliance on agreed principles seems to take us so much further-- and that starts with the Constitution.

When we get into the animating principles, such as the Declaration of Independence, I get less comfortable about citing them as sure priciples and guides because as that document was written as a justification and appeal to the world in general, it contained phrasing meant to invoke a variety of meanings in a variety of readers-- and it still does today, often to our consternation.

This is why it is always worthwile for libertarian-conservatives and traditional-conservatives to set those two extremes that we both have in our ranks aside and see what common purpose can be made. I believe that the forerunners of both traditions did so and the time of the Republic's founding and can, and must, do so again today.

22 posted on 11/01/2002 12:14:35 PM PST by KC Burke
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