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To: 1bigdictator
... "Either we preach to them [the West] and they will accept [Islam], or we will live among them and they will be influenced by our lives and will accept Islam as a political solution to their problems, not as an ideological solution," he said ...
Forget politics, ideology, or religion. On demographic grounds alone, we're doomed. E.g. if current demographic trends continue, or even slow significantly but continue in the same direction, in the space of one generation France and Spain will be majority Muslim countries.

It probably felt like this in Constantinople right up until 1492. No degree of statecraft could have saved them from the human wave that confronted them.
4 posted on 10/31/2002 8:29:27 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: Asclepius
It probably felt like this in Constantinople right up until 1492.

Constantinople fell (to the Turks) in 1453.
23 posted on 10/31/2002 11:02:01 AM PST by eddiespaghetti
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