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To: waterstraat
If men would learn to just not marry or impregnate these women, things would change drastically in time.

No matter how smart or successful a woman becomes, her stock in trade boils down to finding a man to support her and give her children. (closing the deal)

Men and courts have made this too easy for women, and women no longer feel that they need to do anything special to attract a good man.

If women as a group were one day faced with the prospect of forever working to support themselves in COMPETITION with men, as opposed to being able to quit whenever they want to give birth and nurture children, you would see a kind of fear never before seen in America.

Look at that horrible show "The Bachelor", if you want to see just how much women want to win a decent man, and how terrified they become at the prospect of rejection.

Just 10 years of men refusing to marry would change this country forever.

84 posted on 10/30/2002 4:09:20 PM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
You are so full of it. My friends and I are very successful in business (I myself make $200,000 a year), we are looking for men who are strong and can take charge and we can't find a decent man in this town...When we do, guess where they are? Yes, they are right there buying the trophy wife who has fake boobs and no brains.
88 posted on 10/30/2002 4:20:21 PM PST by sonserae
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To: BuddhaBoy
If men would learn to just not marry or impregnate these women, things would change drastically in time.

I'd hate to think that yours is the only way, but I suspect you are right. One can try to explain this to people thoughtfully, as Sauron did in the opening article, but most people just don't get it.

BikerNYC came up with an almost liberal -- certainly 'unconstrained vision' -- claim that any old thing will work, as if the societal arrangements which produce civilization are totally arbitrary. HLL can't get past the idea that any discussion of this subject is "women bashing," and Illbay just goes straight to disruption, without even bothering to offer an opinion.

I think the people who either don't get it, or don't choose to get it, are a vast majority. And so yes, there will be no cooperative, thoughtful movement toward some societal arrangement that has men in it. Instead what we'll have is more government playing husband, and more crushing of actual flesh-and-blood men so that government can do that.

And you're right, it winds up with some huge number of men refusing to play the game anymore, because there's just nothing in it for them except getting screwed over by the courts.

My sense is that we might not be that far away from a safe and affordable male contraceptive. That will change this dynamic quite a bit, because it will allow the men with something on the ball to remove themselves from the target environment without surgery.


102 posted on 10/30/2002 6:01:42 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: BuddhaBoy; Desdemona; GirlNextDoor; sonserae; SauronOfMordor; right2parent
If women as a group were one day faced with the prospect of forever working to support themselves in COMPETITION with men, as opposed to being able to quit whenever they want to give birth and nurture children, you would see a kind of fear never before seen in America.

Totally true.

Now, why is that the case?

Who of those to whom this is addressed has an explanation?

182 posted on 11/01/2002 8:06:10 PM PST by Z in Oregon
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