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To: Kerberos
"Yeah but this insect looks like it has two sets of fins on it."

Two sets of fins, and it goes over the clouds.

25 posted on 10/28/2002 10:29:44 PM PST by dixiechick2000
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To: dixiechick2000
Two sets of fins, and it goes over the clouds.

I noticed that also, good eye.

28 posted on 10/28/2002 10:35:16 PM PST by seeker41
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To: dixiechick2000
This base-jumping incident is where I first heard of the things:

If someone finds the video, please link it...Strange Flying Object in the Cave of Swallows

29 posted on 10/28/2002 10:35:47 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: dixiechick2000
Ok, ok, I did a stop action on the vid and that frame (behind the cloud) IS interesting. It >seems< to rule out something close to the camera, but I think it could be explained as an illusion.

Also interesting is that the object appears to be the same configuration throughout the video, i.e 4 fins, length, etcetera. Usually an image of a bug close to the camera will change slightly frame to frame.

BUT let's get a grip here and try to rule a few things out.

The ISS would >probably< appear much smaller, and it's location when the video was shot is easy enought to check. I'll do it online when I'm done with this reply.

A missle fired at the plane wouldn't appear that big unless it was close to the camera. The missles seeker posted would only be DOTS, unless they were close to the camera and if that's the case it couldn't have been fired AT the plane.

There IS a possibility the object is a model rocket, but again it would have had to have been close to the camera, so close the cameraman would have seen the launch or otherwise noticed it.

Assuming the object was behind the cloud, and we don't know the altitude of the cloud but lets says it's over 2000 feet, it would have to have been MASSIVE....hundreds of feet long.

That's why I'm sticking with the bug or stone illusion. Or as I said before, the flying moose that bit my sister once.

prisoner6

42 posted on 10/28/2002 10:50:52 PM PST by prisoner6
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To: dixiechick2000
Two sets of fins, and it goes over the clouds.

Yes, it has two sets of fins, but I don't think you're safe saying it goes "over the clouds".

First, no frame of the video clearly shows the object behind a cloud. It's definitely a judgement call.

Second, if it *were* above the clouds, it'd have to be abso-bloody-lutely enormous, on the order of at least a thousand feet long.

Finally, bright objects (like the very white clouds in the video) have a tendency to "bleed through" narrow objects (like the flying thingy in the video) when filmed. Here's an example:

Note that the camera crosshairs on the left appears to go "behind" the bright white strut, despite the fact that the crosshairs (being inside the camera itself) are by definition actually in front of the panoramic view in the photo. The bright white light overexposes the image at that point and obliterates the crosshairs. This is a well-known photographic effect. Not being able to see the narrow "missile" when it passes across the cloud does not necessarily mean that it went behind the cloud.

86 posted on 10/28/2002 11:48:49 PM PST by Dan Day
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To: dixiechick2000
"Two sets of fins, and it goes over the clouds."

I noticed the same thing. Check out the vids on the "Rods" site posted earlier in the thread. Once it has downloaded drag the progression bar slowly back and forth (slow mo effect). A couple of them look like probable insects; but a couple clearly go behind the contrail.

121 posted on 10/29/2002 1:27:22 PM PST by Lee'sGhost
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