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I an [sic] referring to the analyses that were the basis for US action.

I know. Why? By pointing out that a fearful population might have "voted" for Minh (just as a fearful population recently "voted" for Hussein), what do you think you are proving?

BTW Everyone in the south had not fled from the north.

I know. See, for example, the phrase "...by leaving the north or at least not going there" from my previous post. It's Post #76, and it's right about your #77, in case you want to actually read it sometime.

The problem was that we saw communism as the main issue and many Vietnamese saw getting rid of outside influence to be the main issue.

Yes, that was a problem to be overcome.

This is not the first or last time we were wrong

How were we "wrong"? To us it was perfectly correct to say that communism was the main issue.

or that our efforts were misguided and ignorant of the determination of other people.

The only one who is "ignorant of the determination of other people" here is you because you keep ignoring the fact that the folks in "South Vietnam" did not want to live under Minh.

Based upon your position we got the very outcome we were fighting to prevent.

I know. That's exactly my point, because my position is that we should have fought that war more completely and seriously, without tying one hand behind our back.

I posit that this was due as much on the determination of the Vietnamese as it was on our strategy for carrying out the war.

Posit away, posit all you like. The truth is that we could have easily defeated North Vietnam militarily and in fact effectively did so, but our political leadership at home prevented our military from doing its job and then pulled them out, along with (later, disastrously) all aid to the South. Are you denying this?

I believe the key to looking at Viet Nam now is to know that you can simutaneously hold in esteem those who did their duty on the front line and realize that the leadership was wrong all along.

Indeed, that is my position in a nutshell. Those who did their duty on the ground did so with honor. The cowardly (and in some cases treasonous) leadership hung them out to dry and made sacrificial lambs out of them. The leadership was wrong because they did not allow our military to do what was necessary to win that war (which they effectively did, anyway).

Psychologically it is difficult to know that many of us suffered losses in the war and then believe that it was a mistake. After 45 years of dealing with this issue I know that I have been on the right track since 1958.

I'm glad this knowledge of your correctness provides you with psychological comfort. Best,

78 posted on 10/31/2002 3:29:32 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank; sport; Gritty; mr spike; Landru; Joy Angela; FreddieKruger; JLO; Ragtime Cowgirl
...THE Major thing to remember here...

...THE Major, Major thing to remember here is...

...to NEVER ever eat fried foods.

...Ooop's, actually THE Major, Major thing to remember here is that...

...HO CHI MINH was supported 1,000 percent during his attempt to Communize a then Free South Vietnam by a...

...HILLARY RODHAM who now has designs to do the same to US, that's you and me folks, by becoming President of the United States in Election Year 2004.

...HILLARY RODHAM's Step No. 1 is to litigate the Democrat Party into Control of the U.S. Congress this Electon Year in order to deny President BUSH the kind of legislative successes he needs to be re-elected to a 2nd Term.

...HO CHI MINH is gone.

...HILLARY RODHAM is very much here and out to give it to US like her mentor HO CHI MINH gave it to the Vietnamese People decades ago.

PRAY, PREPARE, VOTE on Nov. 5th like the future of our country depends on it ..'cause it does.


Signed:..A Witness

NEVER FORGET
80 posted on 10/31/2002 9:29:45 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: Dr. Frank; All
NEVER FORGET

See.. www.Newsmax.com ..Thread titled:


..WE are ALL SOLIDERS Now..

http://Newsmax.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/001803.html


for after the Attacks of September 11, 2001...

...WE ALL are.


NEVER FORGET
83 posted on 11/02/2002 3:22:09 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: Dr. Frank; All
.."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. Actor DON DUONG Story =

Vietnamese officials considering punishment for actor in U.S. film ["We Were Soldiers"]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/753996/posts
84 posted on 11/03/2002 1:07:05 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE
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