[Spiff]

It wasn't Carto on the radio show. I didn't recognize the wingnut's name.

So, the story has changed. I'll revise and extend the allegations as presented by you and dirtbag:

Allegation #1: Glenn Spencer allegedly allowed a racist "wingnut" to be heard as a guest on Spencer's alleged radio show on an unspecified date some time in the distant past.

Proof: HungoverComa allegedly heard the alleged radio show some time in the distant past and alleges that Spencer was too nice to the alleged racist who appeared on the alleged radio show that one time.

Allegation #2: Glenn Spencer has allegedly "shown up at" one or more unnamed "events" which were allegedly associated in some unexplained way with alleged racist Willis Carto some time in the distant past. This alleged showing up at unspecified events at which Carto was also allegedly present demonstrates some sort of vague association between Carto and Spencer.

Proof: HungoverComa says Spencer was at the unspecified events at unspecified locations on unspecified dates some time in the distant past.

However, the fact remains that Americanpatrol.com is on Mr. Robinson's list of sources that are NOT to be used or linked to. Perhaps he has more complete data on the subject.

No - wait. Robinson didn't make the accusations you've made. You and dirtbag made them. If you can't back the accusations up then you're both full of fecal matter and you're both guilty of posting baseless smears against a good person and organization.

Sure, I want JimRob to explain why he's banning American Patrol. But you opened your big mouth and out fell a bunch of crap that you can't back up. Don't defer to Robinson, he's got his own issues to deal with.

I want this problem solved. If you're not doing anything effective toward achieving that goal, then please either shut up or start doing something effective, I really don't care which.

What problem are you talking about? The border invasion? I'm working on solving the problem. My job would be easier if idiots like you and dirtbag weren't spreading lies and smears about someone who is also actually doing something about the problem. I think what Spencer plans to do would be very effective if little pricks like you and dirtbag aren't constantly allying themselves with the reconquista reds and the Morris Dees SPLC race-baiting lackeys by attacking him with baseless smears! You are not helping - you're undermining efforts to actually do something about the problem!!

[HoweverComma]

I'll be happy to run down the details for you.

But you're going to have to be consistent. You cannot demand extreme consideration for YOUR preferred source (i.e., only a case-by-case ban) and then demand a blanket ban on sources you disagree with.

So if you don't like a given source, then you're just going to have to prove it FACTUALLY wrong in that specific case.

[dirtboy]

My job would be easier if idiots like you and dirtbag weren't spreading lies and smears about someone who is also actually doing something about the problem. I think what Spencer plans to do would be very effective if little pricks like you and dirtbag

First of all, please knock off the personal attacks, Spiff - HoweverComma and myself have not done such to you. Second, I thought from HoweverComma's post that Willis Carto had appeared on Spencer's radio show. Since HoweverComma has not been able to back that up, or perhaps because I misunderstood his post, I will retract that. However, that does not fundamentally change the problem being debated here. The event where Spencer and Willis appeared together definitely had a whiff of racist elements (I'll go back out to Google and get the details, although I may not be able to get them posted until tomorrow), and I don't think it was a good idea for Spencer to go there. I do believe HoweverComma that Spencer allowed some racist nutbar to rant on his show without countering or disagreeing with him - and that, IMO, was a mistake - and apparently the management of the radio station agreed, because Spencer got pulled afterwards. And third, apparently JimRob agrees that there is a problem there, because he does not allow American Patrol on FR, so he has been convinced as well. It isn't because of the topic of illegal immigration - because that topic is robustly debated on FR.

So Spencer, with his actions, is steadily marginalizing his program and his cause. But you ain't gonna reverse that trend by running around hurling insults and calling people names - instead, you'll just drag it down further. In case you haven't noticed, HoweverComma and myself fundamentally AGREE WITH YOU on the problem of illegal immigration. However, we sincerely believe there is a problem with the public perception of this cause when Glenn Spencer associates with nutbars - and JimRob and the manager of a radio station apparently agrees - so why don't you drop the insults and maybe just listen to what we are saying? If you want to do something about illegal immigration, you and countless others are going to have to convince a sizeable number of voters to back you. But that will not happen when Spencer is handing to liberals the hammer to hit the cause with. Perceptions DO MATTER, whether you want to believe it or not.