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No role for Islam seen in killings
Boston Globe ^ | October 27, 2002 | Chris Gaither and Eli Sanders

Posted on 10/27/2002 2:22:59 AM PST by sarcasm

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:08:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

ACOMA - Coming after the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks and as the nation appears headed toward war with Iraq, the string of sniper killings that caused the capital region to cower for nearly a month prompted many to question whether they were the work of Islamic terrorists.

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1 posted on 10/27/2002 2:22:59 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
But the piecemeal approach that John Allen Muhammad took to religion suggests that his fractured personality, more than his spiritual beliefs, led to the terrifying violence that killed at least 10 people.

The Islamic whitewash begins. John Allen Muhammad was just another mixed up Muslim psycho killer. Just like Muhammad Atta. Par for the course.

Their so called prophet Muhammad was also a terrorist, a murderer and a pedophile to boot. I can't really expect much from a religion founded by such a man.

2 posted on 10/27/2002 2:30:08 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
No role for Islam seen in killings,


Muhammad, 41, one of two men charged with the killing spree in suburban Washington, D.C., is a black Muslim ...

No contradiction there.

3 posted on 10/27/2002 2:42:39 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: sarcasm
And who was funding these guys? What about the $$ the folks in Tacoma saw this guy flashing, and the plane trips when he was living in a homeless shelter?

Move along, nothing to see here.
4 posted on 10/27/2002 2:44:56 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: dennisw
The whitewash has been going on for years.
5 posted on 10/27/2002 2:50:36 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: FreedomPoster
That's the ticket, Freedom. Follow the money.

Where was this guy getting the jack? That's what I and (I hope) other inquiring minds want to know. Who was paying for those weekend flights from Tacoma? Where was he going and who was he meeting with when he got there?

Hard questions I'm sure the Federal LE Agencies have delegated to the Montgomery County authorities to investigate, rather than do it themselves, so the matter is swiftly brought to light.

6 posted on 10/27/2002 2:52:47 AM PST by woofer
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To: sarcasm; Fred Mertz; Prodigal Daughter; Thinkin' Gal; shaggy eel; *bang_list
If the whole sniper story was just a ruse to move against the gun owners, then John Allen Muhammad could be a patsy. The media considers him guilty until proven innocent.
7 posted on 10/27/2002 2:56:11 AM PST by 2sheep
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To: sarcasm
the use of tarot cards and the ''I am God'' claims ruled out traditional Muslims.

Right, good little Muslim mass murderers never use such language.

8 posted on 10/27/2002 2:58:30 AM PST by per loin
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To: sarcasm

No role for Islam seen in killings ??? . That's pure bovine feces !!!

".... I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [ CUT OFF THEIR HEADS ] and smite all their finger tips of them [ CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS ]." - Koran 8:12

"When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [ CUT OFF THEIR HEADS ] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47:4

John Muhammad is a Black Muzzle-em who was simply following the edicts of the disgustingly evil Koran !!! . Just ask yourself. . . "How many "heads" did John Muhammad cut off with his rifle???" . Period. End of argument !!!

9 posted on 10/27/2002 2:58:55 AM PST by GeekDejure
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To: Hank Kerchief
No only is the perp a member of the "religion of peace," but its basically his only life focus. All that weird stuff with the diet and the rigorous discipline. What else was there about the guy but ISLAM?

Did he golf, or collect bottlecaps or like old movies? No way. This guy is ISLAM, the "religion of peace."
10 posted on 10/27/2002 3:00:26 AM PST by anton
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To: sarcasm
Nah, no danger from Islam. Just move along.

Elsewhere in the news:

Islamic proselytizers are spreading the Religion of Peace by offing 21 members of a family in Algeria, bringing joy to a theatre full of Russians, assaulting a Christian town in the Phillipenes, blowing up people in Pakistani churches, Tunisian synagauges, Indian temples, etc, etc, etc...

11 posted on 10/27/2002 3:06:56 AM PST by friendly
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To: sarcasm
"...Chilled by his encounter with the accused murderer of 10 people, DeFolco regrets missing that call. ''I wish I could have been here,'' he said. ''Maybe we could have saved another life.''...

This is also a disturbing point of view. The taking of human life, except in self-defense or in capital punishment, is not a God-given right. Murder is not a natural condition.

It might have been the case that intervention or a conversation between the Father and the murderer may have resulted in the murderer turning away from murder as a modus operendi to his emotions, but by no means is murder a default condition. Such a conversation would not be 'saving' another life. Saving another life implies another life was lost by default. Quite the contrary, the life wasn't taken until the murderer actually squeezed the trigger and intentionally took premeditated action and decided to murder his victim.

More disturbingly, this view that the priest intervening could save a life, completely misses the relationship between God and man, as well as ministerial and pastoral guidance per the Great Commission. The Father displays an arrogance that his will might have influenced the will of the murderer in order to proclaim another life was 'saved', whereas the ONLY salvation of directed worth is that salvation of things immortal, through Christ. And that salvation is only granted by God Himself, through grace, not works lest any man should boast.

The Father in the article is reportedly guilty of evil as promoted by a 'do-gooder'. This situation is an outstanding example of how such seemingly innocuous evil can wind its way into apparant good.

By no means do I suggest the murderer is less guilty of his behavior nor that DeFalco is not good intentioned, but this is a convenient opportunity to point out a significant doctrinal point missed by many Christians who associate 'do-gooder' behavior with Christianity. In fact such behavior appeals to a satanic counterfeit system whereby knowingly or not the 'do-gooder' becomes an agent of the Adversary by substituting the do-gooder's will for God's will.

12 posted on 10/27/2002 3:23:20 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: sarcasm
The role of Islam is not seen by these two writers for the Boston Globe. However, it is seen by the rest of humanity.
13 posted on 10/27/2002 3:39:48 AM PST by abclily
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To: sarcasm
Interesting, even though the cable entertainmentnews channels don't seem to tire of pathetic 'experts' who continue to demonstrate while the sniper should have been an unsuccessful white man, no one seems to pick up of something that, I believe was unearthed at FR:
L... ike
D... uck
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got it?
14 posted on 10/27/2002 4:15:33 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: sarcasm
The facsimile of the covering page of the three-page letter in yesterday's Washington Post has: "For you mr. Police, 'Call me God'". Isn't that different from "I am God"? Also, isn't Malvo -- not Muhammad -- thought to have written that?
15 posted on 10/27/2002 5:14:26 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Cvengr
So--a Catholic priest wishes he had been able to possibly prevent a serial murderer from killing a few people, and that makes the priest a victim of Satanic lies? Wow! You really must be trying to win some kind of award, like "Biggest Stretch to Make a Catholic-Bashing Point."
16 posted on 10/27/2002 5:21:50 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
No. I make no point regarding denomination.

If the quote had been as yours, I would agree fully. Namely, an effort to prevent a serial murderer from murdering again is laudable.

My post was to point out a finer aspect of obedience to Him which many of us might fail to grasp and become hypocrits in that ignorance.

Those who do good for the sake of doing good, rather than in obedience to Him, fall akin to a counterfeit system of rulership. This is exactly the sin of Lucifer when he became Satan.

The article is an excellent example of this finer point. Frequently evil is allowed to conquer evil. Frequently, a counterfeit plan to God appeals to human good as an alternate to Divine righteousness.

I don't believe all Catholics fall into this trap. IMHO, many who understand Jesus Christ lived and is alive, also fail to believe in Him and stumble by focusing on how to perform human good rather than walking in/by Him.

The article was a fine display for discernment of this point.

17 posted on 10/27/2002 5:47:17 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: aristeides
I observed the same discrepancy wrt the "Call me God"/"I am God" switch.

Makes one wonder if there wasn't a Sun Tzu-like play ongoing on the behalf of both parties.

To those devout in the language, the switch might add fuel to their firey justification for a jihad. For those who oppose the Militant Muslim, all the more justification and demoniztion of their position.

Perhaps there were other clues which justified the verbiage, not yet known to the public.

18 posted on 10/27/2002 5:51:41 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: sarcasm
I've written so much and so often about the fatal flaws in Islam, the only known program of world conquest ever to be called a religion, that I've run out of things to say. Yet I continue to find it unbelievable that there are so many persons in the media, some of whom must be decent and well-intentioned, who deliberately evade the facts whenever Islam is involved in an atrocity.

The Chechens in Moscow will never, ever be called what they were -- terrorists -- by the media, because they were Muslims to a man, and were in the process of defiling a Christian sacred place, just as certain Palestinian "freedom fighters" did at the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.

When it's Christians on one side and Muslims on the other, the Muslims always get much more than a simple benefit of the doubt. They get every conceivable kind of exculpation, and a few that are outrightly inconceivable. If I were conspiratorially minded, I'd suspect that a thoroughgoing hatred of Christians and Christianity pervades America's newsrooms.

Or maybe they're just too pantingly anxious to be liked by their European confreres. I don't know. Either way, for an industry that has its own Amendment to the Constitution, it's a disgraceful betrayal of all they supposedly stand for.

I no longer bother with the Old Media much, for precisely this reason: They invariably promote the picture of the world they want their audience to have above the simple presentation of the facts. When the facts are inconvenient to their proselytizing, the facts are obscured, buried, or sloughed.

What would Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson have said?

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19 posted on 10/27/2002 5:51:56 AM PST by fporretto
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Where was the phrase 'like a duck in a noose' originated? Etymology???? I've come across it here several times, seems valid, but I don't understand the pertinence.
20 posted on 10/27/2002 5:54:37 AM PST by Cvengr
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