ANDREW SULLIVAN: Did PC policing extend the snipers' range?

The Sunday Times ^ | October 27, 2002 | Andrew Sullivan

[txhurl]

Very dark brown bump.

[Grampa Dave]

There were a few of us who knew about the PC Black Racist Moose from his history in Portland, Oregon, and the fact that he got his current job thanks to help by Jake Reno and her boss, the Clintoon, who were hollering about Moose's track record of Political Correctness.

We were immediately labled by many as racist and terrible people by some Freepers. Some pf these pseudo conservative Freepers still insist that the Black Racist, PC Moose did a great job.

[boris]

"A white political activist and entertainer calls Colin Powell, the secretary of state, a house slave to George W Bush."

Or a white president says in an interview on Black Entertainment Television: "African-Americans watch the evening news on TV, just like normal Americans."

The uproar is deafening, right?...Wrong, because it was Bill Clinton, the "first black president", who said that.

--Boris

[BureaucratusMaximus]

Yesterday I posted an excerpt from the Post which addressed this problem of PC Moose. There are over 160 replies on this thread. It is amazing how many pseudo conservatives still are defending the black racist, PC Moose.

Thank you...I ran into the same thing shortly after the perps were caught...glad to see reality prevails.

[Grampa Dave]

I remember you taking some hits from the defenders of the PC Black Racist Moose as well as me.

So be it!

When I saw the pictures on Drudge of the poor white gun driving a white van being forced down on the pavement with a riot gun aimed at him. I decided that Bravo Sierra had to be challenged and the reality of the PC Black Racist Moose had to get out.

[Missouri]

>I remember you taking some hits from the defenders of the PC Black Racist Moose as well as me.

And the hits a still coming. Somebody on another post just sent some hits out on me. This issue should be discussed politly but aggressively.

[Letitring]

Not only that Dave, but these guys were almost standing on the street corner, screaming, ARREST ME. Sheesh, so determined was Moose to ignore them, the killers' themselves, got angry about it. Moose did NOT release the license plate number. A member of his team LEAKED it to the press, they ran with it immediately, it was over within 2 hours. To me, Moose is, at the least incompetant, at worst is a racist, blind, politically motivated YES boy.

[Grampa Dave]

Now his defenders are blaming the FBI and totally ignoring his record as a black racist police chief going back to his days as Portland, Oregon's PC Police Chief.

[Grampa Dave]

It is interesting to see the various covers and hits being brought up by the defenders of PC Moose. This is one of those classic high water marks where we can see where a lot of people stand. Like those who defended Elian's commy dad when Jake Reno had him scooped up and returned to Fidel.

[Francohio]

The most damning evidence against AAA Moose, Ph.D. is that he categorically refused to let the license plate number of the blue Chevy be released to the public.

Some wiser head amongst the Keystone Kops actually had to leak it to the press. Had that not been done, that trucker could never have made the ID.
If one had all the dimes that were dropped on these two perps over the last year, one could probably put a nice addition on the house.

[Grampa Dave]

When the license plate and car description got out on CNN and Fox news, within 3 hours the suspects were spotted and in the process of being apprehended.

It is obvious that the Former Bureau of Investigation after 8 years of deballing by Jake Reno and the Clintoon drop a lot of givemes on these two Nation of Islam killers.

This entire fiasco was predictable by those who knew about Moose in Portland and how Jake Reno helped him to get the job in Montgomery County before scandals and the reality of his character rose up in Portland! Blaming the FBI for what he did in this fiasco which is typical Moose, is nothing but a diversion attempt to switch the liability of Moose to the FBI.

[Letitring]

I wish I had more information about Moose in Portland. When you guys mentioned his tenure there, I wasn't around. It got my attention about Mr. PC Moose, when I found some freepmail from his defenders, especially considering I hadn't attacked. :) NOW, I want to know more about this subject. :)IMO, this guy was totally off base from the beginning, clung to his OWN beliefs, without any evidence to back it up, pursued a course destined to get more people killed, and threw one hissy fit after the other at the very MENTION of someone else heading up the investigation. As to blaming the FBI, yes, by all means, let's do. It was the TOTAL fault of the FBI that these snipers were CAUGHT. Had Moose had his way, they would have been long gone.

[Zon]

It is interesting to see the various covers and hits being brought up by the defenders of PC Moose. This is one of those classic high water marks where we can see where a lot of people stand. Like those who defended Elian's commy dad when Jake Reno had him scooped up and returned to Fidel.

You're right. The below two paragraphs struck me as particularly articulate and right on target. Consider "racial profiling" is a fill-in-the-blank phrase. That is, a person could fill in the blank with "gender profiling", "sexual-preference profiling", "age profiling", "religion profiling", etc.

Similarly, in the case of what’s called “racial profiling” by police, the reason it is always wrong to jump to conclusions on the basis of race is that it denies every individual’s right to be judged as an individual first and as a member of a group next.

In fact, being deemed guilty in advance because of an arbitrary characteristic such as race is pretty close to a perfect description of injustice. It doesn’t seem to me to make a moral difference if that race is white, brown, black or any variation thereof.

It' doesn't make a moral difference if it's race, gender, sexual preference, age or religion profiling, it's still injustice.

[onevoter]

One thing that the media has neglected to use as a basis for comparison is that fact that, after the Timothy McVeigh bombing in Oklahoma, Clinton was all over saying that those people who listened to Rush Limbaugh and others like them were responsible for the Timothy McVeigh's of the nation. Far from calling him on it, the press swore to the truth of it. Now the press is spending all it's time making certain that we are informed that Mohummad acted on his own and that no group was to blame - while I agree with this last reaction, I find it hypocritical when considering the coverage given regarding McVeigh.

[txhurl]

Had Moose had his way, they would have been long gone.

Now let's think of reasons why Moose would not want NOI snipers busted.

[spycatcher]

"The suspect was dark complexioned, latino or perhaps Middle Eastern, but definitely not black..."

Was that from the Moose or a witness? Either way it's biased racism and possibly false disinformation in favor of blacks becuse their skin can be many shades from light brown to nearly black. No way can they be absolutely excluded

[GOPJ]

Or even a lot of truth to start the day...

A litte truth to start the day!

[spycatcher]

What's interesting is that the media knew from the start of this that Moose was hired due to his PC sensitivity. Yet, they stood by as Moose winked at an illegal " crazy white man has to be behind this" racist profile spread to the public (pretending to not "paint any group" of course). Why not develop and use a legal suspect profile for the specific case? -- "the forensic evidence and witnesses indicate it's likely a hispanic/black man operating as a grass-roots terrorist"

Profiling is fine when it's based on the evidence indicating the probability of a certain race. But in this case, Moose's profiling was entirely based on ignoring the evidence and clinging to his prejudice against angry whites. This was an out-of-the-box crime that didn't fit any pre-constructed criminal profile anyhow.

[Amore]

"We can't release a sketch of the subject because there are too many conflicting eyewitness versions... "The suspect was dark complexioned, latino or perhaps Middle Eastern, but definitely not black... nope... Pick a color, any color, but definitely not black..."

Oh, yes, I remember that comment. Did a double take at the time too. But, as you say, no one said a word about it.

[spycatcher]

Can you imagine a white Chief saying "no way it's a white guy," when it turns out to be one?! He would be publicly castigated by all the media especially by Wash Post editorials etc