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Get real. True, there are no "acceptable losses" but there sure as hell are "unacceptable outcomes".

Well put. This type of outcome, even considering the risk to innocents, is the kind of outcome that puts fear into the hearts of those who would commit such acts. Not because they might die, because they may have been prepared to die, but because they might not be allowed to WIN.

I am not sure we have the kind of guts that Spetznaz had tonight. We have become a country that allows standoffs.

I read on another comment that the Chechens aren't really like terrorists because they have a "real" beef with Russia. Well.... I don't know, and I don't care what their beef is. I am sure at one point the Palestinians had a legitimate beef. But they decided not to play the game in a civilized way. They decided to kill innocents in a shocking way as a stragety in their mission... so the righteousness of their original cause ceases to matter. Ceases to matter at all.

Exactly.

Like the palestinians... it is the *methods* that now must be put down. Whether there ever was at one time a valid complaint has been made irrelevant by the methods they have *chosen* to use. The intentional and brutal killing of innocents must be shown to lose and lose big. They have chosen the path and it is up to the civilized world to show now where that path leads.

yeah the PC crowd has turned into pussies VA non-withstanding.

Look at all of the moosehead defenders. While we may have had the forces to do this, we do not have the cahones to .

VA what do you think about the use of gas? Good or dangerous?

"I am not sure we have the kind of guts that Spetznaz had tonight. We have become a country that allows standoffs."

I dont quite understand this statement.

A standoff is exactly what the Russian allowed. And only after the hostages tried to escape and the terrorists opened fire that the SpecFor went in [in defense of the escaping hostages].

Maybe I am missing some facts from this situation.

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