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To: general_re
a true proof should be objectively verifiable

Nonsense. If this thread gets deleted, did it ever exist? If I say "Hello" to you but no one else hears it, did it happen?

Truth is truth. Stuff happens.

58 posted on 10/25/2002 10:38:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
But here we're bumping up against the difference between faith and reason again. Truth may be objective, but reason concerns itself with the concrete, the material, the verifiable.

It may be objectively true that the sun will rise tomorrow, but can you conclusively prove it will, in advance? I rather doubt it, and yet we all believe it to be true. Such are the limits of logic - the best we can do to "prove" that the sun will rise tomorrow is to point to all the yesterdays where it rose. Of course, that's a logical fallacy at it's core, so we're sort of stuck with no way to objectively prove that the sun will rise tomorrow.

And that's the sort of problem we run into when we try to logically "prove" the existence of God - God may very well objectively exist, but like the objective (we assume) truth that the sun will rise tomorrow, there's just no way to conclusively prove that it must be so...

(is it just me, or is FR slow suddenly?)

61 posted on 10/25/2002 11:03:37 AM PDT by general_re
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To: AppyPappy; donh
a true proof should be objectively verifiable. . . Nonsense. If this thread gets deleted, did it ever exist?

You make a valid and important point. The criteria of proof can often be PC.

119 posted on 10/26/2002 9:08:52 AM PDT by cornelis
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