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To: Alamo-Girl; Phaedrus; stanz; beckett; PatrickHenry
The eminent Kant scholar Lewis Beck used to say that anyone who could believe in God could believe in anything. To appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that miracles may happen.

Alamo-Girl, this is probably the most aggravating "expert public pronouncement" that I have ever had to endure in my lifetime so far.

IMHO, invert it, and you get a better grasp on Reality. The statement would then go: "Once you 'kill God', then -- and only then -- can you believe in anything."

I gather God, you see, in Beck's view, could never be classified as "liberal." Therefore it follows -- O heaven forfend!!! -- if the Judeo-Christian God reigns, then man is constrained. And putative "liberals" and "progressives" and otherwise "enlightened" intelligentsia are "forbidden" to even "go there"....

Yet it seems to me -- as a contingent, finite creature who owes a lot to others -- that we human beings live within constraints.

So it wouldn't seem to be so much a matter of acknowledging this insight, as it would be a matter of figuring out how best for human beings to live "within the limits" of their collective natural and spiritual environment.

FWIW.

239 posted on 10/28/2002 5:41:37 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
this is probably the most aggravating "expert public pronouncement" that I have ever had to endure in my lifetime so far.

Some ivory tower dude makes some statement, and it's really that bad for you? Come on, BB. He's no threat at all. Any day of the week, Hillary can probably say ten things that bother me more. She's dangerous!

240 posted on 10/28/2002 5:50:34 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for your posts!

Alamo-Girl, this is probably the most aggravating "expert public pronouncement" ['anyone who could believe in God could believe in anything'] that I have ever had to endure in my lifetime so far.

Sadly, it appears there are quite a few who cannot accept that anything exists beyond the ability to observe it. IMHO, that is the most destructive form of arrogance.

Can't they can see how wrong-headed it would be for a starfish to have such a notion about his "world?"

And yet there are many who truly believe that God cannot exist because they cannot measure Him, weigh Him, subject Him to trial and punishment --- or lookup the registration of His copyrights --- or even because He doesn’t give them a bag of M&M’s on demand. I am not kidding.

[It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:31

Or in the case of a starfish, a seine...

248 posted on 10/28/2002 7:56:18 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
I gather God, you see, in Beck's view, could never be classified as "liberal." Therefore it follows -- O heaven forfend!!! -- if the Judeo-Christian God reigns, then man is constrained. And putative "liberals" and "progressives" and otherwise "enlightened" intelligentsia are "forbidden" to even "go there"....

Now this, bb, is right on the mark IMHO. And the universities are just filled with these people, insecure, adolescent in the extreme, pining to give unfettered expression to their every immature sexual urge, to alter their consciousness with drugs. So what do they do? They justify, they excuse, they explain -- they paper everything over with WORDS, endless treacly words, as though words had some independent existence and power all their own. And when their deceptions are made plain, they adopt and twist another word or concept (self-esteem!) to deceive (You don't like "liberal"? How about "progressive"?). It is an endless game, signifying nothing. And they are ALL liberals. Well, hey, "Intellectual Elite", grow up first, THEN lecture us as to how to live!

Here's hoping Ann Coulter lives forever! There now, I do feel better ... ;-}

253 posted on 10/28/2002 8:25:28 PM PST by Phaedrus
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