[LogicWings]

If i didn't believe in God, and an afterlife, then we would be just animals, and anything goes. We are not all created equal. Murder, theft, rape, molestation are ok. The law of survival of the fittist is the only law, and do what ever 'feels good'.

I find it interesting how you go from, if ‘i’ didn’t believe, to a principle that extends to all others, we would be just animals and anything goes. I don’t agree that we are just animals and that anything goes. Murder, theft, rape, molestation are all ok, only if i agree that it’s ok if it happens to me, because i can reason that that isn’t in my best interest and animals can’t.

But, by whose standard, and based on what.

You know, I find it interesting that the argument always is, ‘if you don’t accept this one system of thought, you cannot reason, you cannot use any of history to work something out, it is either this or a vacuum, you have to start all over and can’t use the sum total of all human history to work out something better.’ This is what your are saying here. This doesn’t ’stand to reason.’ I don’t have to reject all of history because I don’t accept a single view, use all of it.

my life experiences have shown me things that science and mans current level of understanding can't explain. Real miracles, no other explanation, period.

If you have miracles, fine. That you know exactly what their source is ??

I suspect from your post that you had a nun as a teacher in your youth as well.

No, not at all. That whole ‘philosophical, stages of life, and a sort of melancholy resignation to the vagaries of life’ had the same flavor as some writings I‘ve run across.

That you experinced the stage of looking for meaning to life. I cannot determine if you've found what it was you were/are looking for (I believe we look for some peace of mind).

Whenever wasn’t I looking? When did I stop? How can anyone really stop? Doesn’t some part of you die when you do? You think I can question every last little detail as I am here and think that I don’t think I can learn something?

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I saw in a post of yours that you have a tendancy to write in an agressive manner (not your exact words). I also have that tendency.

The 'I' - 'we' thing, I think you know that I meant 'I would therefore believe we are...' I'm not here for a grammer lesson.

The standard question was simple and could have had multiple answers. I wasn't trying to say that there is only one standard, just that without one(or two) that has a real moral (meaning religious) background or base, where does one get it. I think you answered the question on where you believe it should come from; human history.

However, i pose another question to you and I ask this for some understanding, not just as an asumption of where you are coming from. (Altough I am currently assuming that you are an atheist, which I'm sure you correct me on, but not directly.) If we are just animals, as atheists may believe, why would it not be suvival of the fittist? Eat whatever the hell ya want. Whatever feels good. I hear what your saying about the 'its bad for me, so don't do to others' theory. But why? Just because you don't want it done to you? What if it doesn't matter to the next guy, he rapes your women and eats you kids? How do you exact justice?

Justice needs a baseline, but from where? You said human history, not all in human history, or for that matter present day societies believe canibalism is wrong. (Even us catholics commit it at mass.)

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Miracles, yes, didn't say what the source was, but that there is a spiritual side to life, not just that we are animals. I personally believe that the prayers that went out at those times were answered. By who or what, don't know for sure.

The nun question was to something you wrote about you would have made the same choice as I did. It was a way of asking if you were brought up catholic.

I haven't stopped looking for answers yet either, just have found a place in which to look for them.